I wonder if fruit used to have more vitamins/minerals/EFA's/amino acids at one point? or if it does in very high quality soil, in a pristine environment, great air, water, symbiosis with all around it, animals, etc. The resulting fruit would be better all around, including a higher "vital energy"/life force/vibration/EM energy.The studies done on organic vs conventional seem to back this up.Even more reason to grow biodynamic/permaculture/put some love into it!I believe so, and it seems to make sense. I feel this is different than the "hybridized" vs wild fruit issue, but there are relations.It make me wonder whether we had such high quality fruit we didn't eat as many greens previously, because we didn't need to. Of course this gets into the whole idea of what our nutritional requirements are really like in the absence of the chemical, radiological, physical emotional and mental stressors of today's world on us, and with a really cleaned out optimized body in alignment on many levels.

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    Kali :(. And we're still near the beginning. Maybe it's not true though.
  • i hope those that have low confidence in fruit quality live in parts of the world that grow the best quality.. :)

    i remember a mate telling me 'fruit just doesnt have the minerals in it!' and i said 'that bowl of rice and cheese does?'
    • That's what I'm saying too DR, those that care about any issue need to step up and make it happen on this planet. This is true for so many areas, on so many levels, I hope and pray and will do my best to make it happen.
  • As one Eric to another(especially one whose comments I respect),I have to say that most people don't know the half of it..Consider that our transition from hunter/gatherer to agricultural/urban civilisation is less than ten thousand years,and consider the enormity of the change,and it is not hard to be a little concerned about what we are eating ,even when we think we have it right.Even when eating'properly',we still live in a highly different enviroment to the one we have evolved in.I can say thru experience that the wilder and especially tropical fruits ae faf,far different to anything that most have tasted.So different that some have no points of reference with which to descibe .Try telling someone who has never eaten a Durian,or Mamey Sapote,or Safu to the uninitiated..As far as nutrition goes,I have found that tropical jungle fruits have significantly different carbohydrate and vitamin counts than the more well known frits.The popularity of most fruits today lies with their ability as a cleanser or 'pickmeups' between 'real meals'.Even eating common fruits ripe off the tree makes a huge difference to their effect.Not to mention the enviromental factor of eating fruit in a more natural location instead of in a bus or car on the way to work etc,etc. Do u really think plants are hybidized for nutritional resaons?Very rarely..Shelf life ,increased production,economic returns are much more important consierations.We, as committed individuals need to realise that as consumers are the last in line of consideration.And don't even mention GE.....
    • You mean you're liking low sodium, or a problem with it? Most of the human population lived closer to water. It could be that our fruit had more sodium due to the proximity of the ocean(s). I don't find I really need much sodium. Celery tastes salty to me. I do season with a little sea weed sometimes.
    • http://community.compuserve.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?msg=159370.78&...

      http://www.biblebios.com/joshua/joshua.htm

      Mangoes and grapes look to be bigger. Humans seem to be destroying this world. They don't care about their health either. They can be very lost.
  • Dear Eric,
    I personally notice the difference in local, wild or home grown fruits, as compared to commercially-grown crops.
    I find I am satisfied on less and I feel better and more vital.
    Also when in Bali, the fruit there seemed to have so much goodness in it.

    If humans vary in their health depending on our environment and what we ingest, I would think the same is true for plants.
    love and Peaches XX ♥
    • Hi Anne, thanks for the response.

      Yes I have read this from you before, on these forums I suppose but for sure in your book which I have been reading the last few days in FL where I tried many new fruits =)

      I'd love to try some Bali fruit, and to visit Bali! and many places with high quality fruityness
  • Food has not declined as it becomes hybridized. This is nonsense, and no plant is a non hybrid, nor any creature. Read more about this here.

    But yes, in a number of ways fruits and veggies can be nutritionally compromised depending on the way they're grown.

    For instance, when things are grown hydroponically or without rich, heavily composed soils, they typically fail to get the important bacteria like B12. There's an interesting study from my B12 article looking at organic vs non organic B12 levels is plants, which you can read here.
    In Defense Of Hybrid Fruits
    Hybrid fruits are as natural as you are. Don't buy into the fear mongers, and read about healthy hybrid fruit here.
    • Dr. D says hybridization has made some fruits nutritionally inferior, esp. by changing the sugar to mineral ratio, and we may need more greens to balance this:

      http://foodnsport.com/faq.html?start=4
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