b12 injections - Forum - The Frugivore Diet

B12 patches or injections for cows and sheep?

2011-12-04T04:47:25.000Z

Farmers inject their livestock to ensure high levels of b12 both for animal health and to meet market expectations.

They dont use patches or sublinguals it seems.

http://www.virbac.com.au/p-virbacaupuben/display.aspx?srv=p-virbacau&typ=pub&lang=en&cmd=view&style=styles/specie.xsl&select=PRODUCT%5B@ID$eq$PRODUCT_198%5D&affp=&

Why did I pass out after giving myself a b12 shot?

2011-11-29T23:14:35.000Z

Hello All,

I don't think I will be taking an injection again. I bought 6 1mL bottles of Hydroxocobalamin ABM Rotexmedica brand. All was well and good. I opened the bottle used a clean needle. Filled the needle and removed the air. I pinched my thigh and in it went. It was not as bad as I thought it would be. It took a few moments to finish the injection. As soon as I was finished I started to feel a little woozy I was siting down at my computer so I laid my head back and then I awoke up to my girlfriend hysterically screaming at me and not knowing where I was and what was happening I was sweating like crazy and heard buzzing in my ears. It was pretty intense. I just laid down for the past two hours and now I am feeling better and figured I would see if anyone has had this experience? or knows anything about it?

I am not going to take another injections until I go to the doctor and get some blood test done and see were my b12 levels are at. I probably should have went before I took the injection but I figured it is something people use as a supplement and not a drug so it is not to worry about. 1mL is not a lot of b12 and that is a good quality form.

In the interest of full disclosure I have gone to the dentist and almost passed out after getting Novocain w/ epinephrin. The dentist told me that is probably what caused it and the next time I went I got it without and the shot was fine. I have also gotten light headed and the sweats from getting blood taken a few years ago but more recently I got blood taken and I was ok.

B12, DHEA, TESTOSTERONE, CORTISOL, TRIGLYCERIDES: my levels after 10 years vegan..

2011-11-26T15:13:00.000Z

I only take one supp: b12. The average "Primal Diet" fanboy on Mark Sisson's programme of bacon and eggs is taking in around 127 supps per day if they follow MS's 'platinum autoship package supplementation system'. ;)

VEGAN DISEASES AND DEFICIENCIES!!

2011-11-25T14:53:25.000Z

B12 deficiency case history: Raw Radiant Health: Natasha St Michael

2011-11-19T10:14:37.000Z

Basically Natasha St Michael from Raw Radiant Health got her FIRST EVER b12 test and it came back with low level b12 serum. She didnt test homocystein or uMMA. She blames the lack of steak in her diet and starts eating steak AFTER doing some b12 shots. When her levels go up, she pretends its got nothing to do with the b12 shots lol!

Here is a vid. Please share it around and feel free to comment on Natasha St Michael from Raw Radiant Health vids so she and others learn the basic mistakes she has made.

B12 injections. Who needs em. What about sublinguals?

2011-05-09T05:32:33.000Z

In this vid I answer some questions from my experience.

Should you use b12 injections to get jaked, ripped, toned up or a flatter stomach?

2011-05-08T05:07:59.000Z

No! Sure LOTS of people use em for these reasons but the reason I promote is that I know a lot of people come over to this lifestyle from a history of digestive issues. We know that digestive issues are the number one reason for b12 absorption issues and that intramuscular b12 injections are the most effective way to bypass any b12 uptake issues.

Ive got raw meat eating friends that still have LOW serum b12 levels after up to 10 years of raw animal eating. A few now have even decided to start 'shooting up' as they have learned more on the subject of the importance of sufficient b12 in the body.

So yeah, b12 injections are used commonplace amongst bodybuilders, athletes, dancers, weight loss clinics etc to 'lean up' but thats not what Im suggesting people use em for, just so we are clear. :)

b12

2011-04-24T05:59:10.000Z

(If you haven't read already) I thought this blog I wrote may come in handy seeing we're talking about b12 a lot lately.....

Blog here.

I had a Facebook discussion the other day about b12 levels. One lady was saying that she went back to eating animal products to improve her b12 levels. She basically said that ‘since she has been vegan her b12 levels have plummeted’. I questioned her further and asked did she have a b12 test prior to going vegan that we could compare the current results to ~ she continually avoided my question and it soon became clear she had none. Why didn’t she have tests? Because b12 deficiency is unfortunately a *very* uncommon test for Dr’s to request. Therefore these individuals cannot, with any credibility, say that a Vegan diet left them b12 deficient. Of course we must have previous test results to compare to.

Another individual asked why the “true” diet for humans doesn’t rebuild the person in questions b12 levels and bring them back to health. This is a fair enough question so I thought I would go into it in detail…

Of course we can heal so much on a LFRV lifestyle but within reason. It’s important to understand that adopting a Low fat raw vegan lifestyle (after years of ill health) is not a panacea for all our past bodily abuses. It’s not that black and white. It’s quite funny, some people expect that if you chop off your hand while following a low fat raw vegan lifestyle ~ that it will grow back, and if it doesn’t then it’s the fault of the lifestyle! lol. Of course some damage is irreversible.

Damage done prior to a Vegan/LFRV lifestyle>>

* We are holistic beings and there are *many* other factors to take into consideration in addition to what we eat. Firstly there is no ‘true diet’ for humans but there IS a ‘true lifestyle’, which of course encompasses the ideal diet. On a side note, I know of some individuals who have called themselves LFRV and at the same time, have been anorexic and taking recreational drugs on the weekend. Many of us have come from terribly health-destructive lifestyles and some unwittingly expect LFRV to totally reverse time. Personally I came to LFRV from a past of drug abuse, antibiotic (anti-life) use, anorexia, bulimia, somewhat SAD eating, various operations etc, all of which can destroy (potentially permanently) the bodies ability to produce the intrinsic factor which is necessary to absorb b12. I have healed MANY of my problems in just the past 4.5 years. However, just as we can permanently scar our external body ~ with the wrong lifestyles/various operations etc, we are quite proficient at scarring and compromising the function of our internal body as well. Some individuals may be able to absorb b12 again, some may not. From my understanding, when most cells are regenerated they will maintain the existing structure. During mitosis the *original* chromosomal data is not reconstructed but the cell is duplicated (similarly like scar cells). Regeneration does not always mean the damaged cell goes back and matches the original code of the DNA. Sometimes epithelial cells of the GI tract are destroyed and gastric atrophy results. Destruction of the mucosa leads to damage to villi and crypts. Over time epithelial cells of the mucosa begin to atrophy and then metaplasia *abnormal change in the nature of the tissue* can occur. This damage impairs absorptive and epithelial regenerative functions within the affected areas. Also If there is no presence of basement membrane then replacement of epithelial cells (found in GI and on skin) through Mitosis will not happen.

Soil depletion and modern living>>

* I’m sure you will agree that living in today’s modern society is far from the true lifestyle nature designed for us. Unfortunately I can’t live fully as nature intended and pick every bit of my fruit from the tree or pull my greens fresh from the soil every time. This would be IDEAL of course but not achievable for most. We live in a sterile polluted environment where our food is scrubbed (generally with chemicals) ‘clean’ of any soil and b12 possibility. AND to worsen the situation ~ unfortunately the soil quality has been terribly depleted of cobalt and phosphorus over the years, due to modern farming that removes these vital elements from the soil. We require cobalt (it is only assimilated by the body in the form of vitamin B12). Out of all the vitamins known, Vitamin B-12 (Cobalamin) is the only vitamin that contains a mineral ~ cobalt, hence the name. In theory we should be able to convert sufficient amounts of B12 to meet our needs without any dietary intake however if cobalt is lacking from the soil (which it is apparently from about 60% of our soil) then b12 cannot form correctly (it is essential to the chemical makeup of b12, without cobalt ~ b12 isn’t b12). So as LFRV’s our absorption *may* be top notch but missing the vital element ~ Cobalt & b12.

See the factors mounting up?

Interesting statistics>>

A tufts University Study in Boston found that not only was low B-12 levels common in the entire population but 39% of Americans were actually b12 deficient. Even though these individuals were eating as much as 3 times the recommended daily intake. There was also a large scale Framingham Offspring Study that found nearly 40% of participants between the ages of 26-83 had low b12 levels ~ a level in which some people experience neurological symptoms. Scary. Again vegans and vegetarians are routinely tested but people eating animal bits and pieces are not. When they are, then the truth comes out that b12 deficiency is not at all exclusive to a plant-centred lifestyle like ‘they’ would have you believe.

BUT the people with deficiencies are SAD eaters!!>>

*Of course people eating SAD processed diets certainly aren’t helping their health situation true. However, if this was the only cause for their deficiency (which it isn’t) then we wouldn’t find a lack of b12 rife throughout individuals eating ‘whole food’ unprocessed, mod-high meat-centred diets. For example; I have friends who have been eating “healthy” raw animal products every day for many, many years (the closest diet to healthy *if* eating animal products). A few of them eat what most refer to as, “A raw paleo diet” ~ no processed or cooked foods, and significant amounts of animal products. Ironically, one friend who has been following the lifestyle for at least 10 years, showed me his b12 level just a week ago ~ 220. Same as what it was years earlier. This is low and he does NOT have a deficiency of raw animal substances in his diet. The level should be over 500 according to the World’s leading authorities on Vitamin b12 deficiency (japan even has a minimum cut off of 550 and they have one of the lowest rates of dementia in the World). On a side note ~ there is little ‘life force’ is a piece of tortured flesh but there’s plenty of ‘death force’ in the form of the animals fear ~ adrenaline. Not to mention ~ uric acid, cholesterol, saturated fat, pathogenic bacteria and carcinogenic benzopyrenes

BUT animal sources restore b12 production!>>

It’s simply not true or else we wouldn’t see the deficiencies we do in animal eaters of all persuasions. Unfortunately some people (even Dr’s receiving kickbacks) continue to listen to, and parrot the Meat and Dairy Industry recommendations. They would have you believe you need to eat animals for b12, when on the contrary in excess of 99% of those who are b12 deficient are actually eating carcass, bovine secretion and chicken menses. The problem is that people eating these animal substances have not *ever* been routinely (or accurately) tested for b12 deficiency. However, (from M & D Industry education) if you say you’re a vegan, they jump on you straight away with a b12 test! Clever Industry persuasion. Which then of course makes Vegans/Vegetarians appear to be the most deficient. Fortunately this is changing and recently more animal eaters are being tested and honestly, the results have been alarming. Inaccurate testing measures and a lack of Dr training about the importance of b12 is a source of frustration for many experts in the field. Serum B12 (the standard test) can and does fail to detect a deficiency. Urinary MMA and Homocysteine tests need to be taken as well to rule out a deficiency.

Factors affecting absorption of b12>>

* To add to the insult for cooked fooders, much of the b12 ingested is rendered useless due to it being a heat-sensitive vitamin. As much as 89% of the vitamin is destroyed when we cook it. That is HUGE but even considering this fact, as stated earlier, the raw meat eaters STILL have consistently low b12 levels. If some b12 does ‘get through’ most people then cannot absorb or utilise. This makes for a lot of deficiencies. If the intrinsic factor is impaired or missing, B12 production and absorption will not take place, no matter how much is in your meat, seafood, dairy, and eggs. In our modern society, this means just about everyone may be deficient. Every second person has gastrointestinal issues of some sort being ~ Crohn’s, IBS, celiac disease. These malabsorption issues are brought about by a vast number of factors including poor diets high in vitamin-blocking fat and animal products, recreational/ prescription drug use, antacid use, any surgery (including dental) that exposes us to nitrous oxide (an anaesthetic used for operations), alcoholism, pernicious anemia, autoimmune disorders. The list goes on. Basically you are likely to have compromised absorption and be b12 deficient if you have ever had an operation (including dental work), eaten the Standard Western Diet, taken drugs of any sort, or have an inherited weakness. Birth control pills are also a common culprit in depleting B12 stores and compromising absorption. The dangers of b12 deficiency should be taken very seriously. I will discuss it in my next blog.

I have more to say on the topic regarding accurate testing, the dangers of deficiency, purity, supplementation, and b12 resources. I will also share my own personal story and results taking b12 supplementation…

Best site to 'score' b12 injections from?

2011-04-20T05:02:53.000Z

With the internet shopping avialable to us, we dont need to wait for the doctors ego to be allowed to give ourselves some b12 intramuscular injections. So what are people finding is the cheapest price online for methyl or hydroxocobalamin deals?

This video shows you how. Intramuscular means 'in the muscle'.

So what sites have people found that give good price, service and quality b12 injections delivered to your door? Methylcobalamin and Hydroxycobalamin are the best 2 to look for with cyanocobalamin being the 'cheap and nasty' option.

FTR: b12 is the only supp I personally take or recommend as I see more of my meat eating friends deficient in it than my vegan mates. Its a very common deficiency with up to 39% of the US population having issues. Remember that Japan has a minimum cut off of 550 vs Australia/US being around 150.

Peoples experiences with weight loss/energy after using b12 injections for a period of time.

2011-04-19T06:56:44.000Z

B12 injections are used in the health and fitness industry very commonly. From professional athletes to celebrities looking to 'drop some weight' and/or 'increase feelings of well being'.

After exstensive testing Ive found out I lack intrinsic factor and have found b12 injections have improved my blood profiles. I gave b12 injections to 2 NON -vegan friends today. One is a current housemate of mine and long time raw animal eater. He got his tests back a few days ago and decided his levels were lower than he would like. Another is a non vegan friend that has a heart issue and anemia. IMHO both will do 'well' by boosting their b12 stores via course of b12 shots.

Freelee used to have a heliobacter pylori infection before she went vegan and did antibiotics for that. HP infection can wipe out your b12 levels as it destroys stomach cells that are involved with b12 absorption. After initial resistance Freelee is a BIG fan of b12 shots now. Her run times have came down dramatically and without increase in training.

With b12 deficiency RAMPANT in society its no wonder b12 supps are so popular. Ive done a lot of homework in the last 4 years on the subject and its been my personal conclusion that intramuscular injections are the safest and most effective way to reverse low serum b12, elevated homocysteine/urinary MMA/MCV. Ive also noted that people using b12 injections report an increased ability to train, recover and burn body fat.

I encourage people to make their own conclusions. Read the book 'Could it be b12?' and follow the directions on the packet. Thinking you can just go and get one injection and 'be sorted' or think you can rely on animal products for sufficient b12 is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS if you have b12 or underlying b12 issues. I say that not to promote fear but so people understand how serious it can be.

I mean hypothetically what would have happend if I never went vegan and then didnt find out I had intrinsic factor issues and kept on eating meat thinking 'its enough' and running on low b12? What would have happened if I went vegan like I did and just thought it was 'big pharma paranoia'?

Do you need to get tested? Not really. Do you need to do a course of b12 injections? Id STRONGLY consider it. Its way cheaper than getting tested. Sure its hard to find doctors that 'get it' and thats why so many law suits are filed against doctors in the US for failing to diagnose b12 deficiencies. I read about one NON-VEGAN lady that ended up in a wheelchair and got paid 3.1million US$. Many people just get em online and get a nurse friend to show em how to do it. I just went onto bodybuilding sites and searched 'how to inject b12' lol! and then taught myself. I was 'needle phobic' for a longtime and now, today am shooting up my mates in the back alley behind the organic shop. LMFAO!

So what are peoples experience with b12 injections?

How much did you do?

How often?

Did you inject yourself?

How much weight did you drop?

Did you see your race times drop/bench press etc go up AND you didnt increase training/recovery/cals/hydration etc.

b12 injections for weight loss??

2011-02-14T12:04:01.000Z

Here is a vid I did today by request.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCEGVFFyajU

Do b12 injections make you leaner?

2011-02-12T03:25:40.000Z

Ive been reading some stuff on the net about people doing b12 injections on a regular basis to keep lean. Some people say it helps with fat and carb metabolism.

Both Freelee & I do b12 injections occasionally and are lean, fit and strong but I say thats obviously more of a diet/lifestyle thing. Im posting this for people that arent super fit but have done b12 injections and noticed differences in their body ie: getting leaner, better digestion etc. We were jogging back from the clinic and laughing that we are so lean, fit and strong cos we just do b12 injections and that eating fruit and being fit has nothing to do with it!

Ive talked with a few bodybuilders and pro cyclists and they say that b12 injections lean em up and give em better immunity. These people dont even know what raw food is! lol!

Please share your experiences. Has your body changed after doing a course of injections. Like say 10x1000mcg over a year.