raw vegan - Forum - The Frugivore Diet

Family looking for a Raw Vegan Community!

2022-05-12T08:16:40.000Z

Hi Frugivore friends! 🥭🍌

My name is Shelly and I am 18 years old. (Fruitarian 3 months and counting!)

Me and my family of four are looking to move to a beautiful community that is all about raw food, like minded people, health and healing!

Does anyone know of any raw vegan/ fruitarian communities around the world? (especially Europe, south america)

PLEASE COMMENT BELOW! (Contact info of community or founder like phone number/email would be greatly appreciated.)

Thank you!

Shelly 💖

please share your results/experience after 30 days on the frugivore (raw food) diet!

2021-01-31T08:08:38.000Z

would love to hear how you went after 30 days on the frugivore diet. please lettuce know in the comments. the struggles, the successes etc. and congratulations!

Why i stopped eating cooked food and the raw till 4 diet.

2020-12-30T01:49:50.000Z

hey frugivore!

i figured this discussion would be beneficial as you head into your 30 day frugivore diet challenge. please add below why YOU are choosing fresh living food now instead of cooked.

i have been a fruit-based vegan for 14 years on January 1st 2021. initially i spent many years on an all-raw living-foods diet. it was amazing but i allowed myself to get too hungry too often and fell back into cooked foods. for years i tried to get 'back on board' then i gave up and decided 'raw was too hard right now'... obviously an excuse. since april 2020 i have been back on living foods and many wonder why i made the shift from raw till 4 back to all raw.

so i should clarify here. since being back on the frugivore diet (high carb raw vegan), i have had toasted nori, a pasteurised juice here and there and maybe a few dishes with cooked cashews (which are never raw). i am eliminating these, not for purity reasons but because i feel best eating living foods.

below are some of the reasons i prefer the raw vegan frugivore diet over the raw till 4 diet.

BEAUTY-FULL: on living foods i just feel beautiful even if nobody else thinks i am. 💁🏼‍♀️ like a superhero 🦹‍♀️ sometimes it's hard to put into words how i'm feeling but beauty-full, as in filled with love. nourished, whole, alive, vibrant, satisfied, excited, complete. when i eat meals of cooked food this beauty-full feeling is dulled and suppressed.
TASTE: one thing i had forgotten over the years since including cooked food was that i actually prefer the taste of living foods over cooked foods. this ofc makes sense seeing that's what human frugivores are designed to eat! i love the depth and complexity of flavours of raw living plant foods whether it's just fruit or combined dishes. cooking destroys so much of this complexity and the delicate flavours then the human frugivore attempts to add it back in with various condiments. once my tastebuds were 'clean' again (and i ate enough calories) i no longer 'craved' cooked food.
PASSION: my senses are sharper and i feel an extra ziiiiing and passion for life. i have never achieved this fully while eating cooked meals.
DIGESTION: my digestion is not optimal when eating cooked meals, it never really has been. i came to the lifestyle with very poor digestion and large fruit meals have always been queen when it comes to optimal digestion and assimilation.
SKIN: i've been taking notes on this for years - i love the sun protection phytochemicals like carotenoids (namely betacarotene) gives my skin. this protective effect disappears with the inclusion of a single daily cooked meal as the amount of fruit ingested in reduced below what is needed. the betacarotene is stored under the skin (that rawfoodie glow) where it awaits conversion to vitamin A when needed and also provides SPF 4 which is great because SPF 8 can block 90% of vitamin D production. although you can still burn on raw, i find myself being able to withstand so much more sun and tan more easily. also love the year round glow this gives. i find my skin is constantly moisturised and never dry regardless of weather. skin pores also shrink and return to normal. overall skin quality is fantastic and obviously much healthier.
HEALING: my wound healing is clearly accelerated on the frugivore diet. more nerve energy is freed up from digesting difficult cooked meals that can now go towards wound healing and tissue regeneration.
ADDICTIVE TENDENCIES: i love how loud and clear the 'eat' and 'stop eat' signals are on the raw frugivore diet and how there are no addictive tendencies. no emotional urgency to eat just a relaxed feeling even when hungry. for instance, one time i cried and actually got angry over the thought of not being able to have my usual plant-based burritos within the next hour. i was extremely emotional and wasn't overly hungry. and when i did have these foods the rate of eating was hurried and intense. my blood sugar variations were also much greater. i realise not all cooked food is created equal but now no matter how hungry i am i don't have this crazy pull to eat eat EAT and as soon as i do feel that 'must eat more of this NOW' feeling then i know what i've eaten is not raw. i had this sensation after eating some 'raw' crackers which actually ended up having a number of cooked ingredients. even fermented saurkraut doesn't give me this feeling or even salted raw food dishes.
PERIODS: i really enjoy lighter periods and without fail they are always lighter on all living foods.
FOOD PREP: i love love love flameless food prep, it's magic for me! so enjoyable, no sweating, no burns. i actually love creating beautiful vibrant dishes now whereas it was a chore with cooked food at dinner time.
PEACE: i seek out more peaceful surroundings and people. i strive to conduct myself in a peaceful manner. i am still a passionate fiery individual ofc but raw inspires me to approach life from love rather than judge others harshly and see them as bad people, to understand their struggle. that doesn't mean i won't be holding others accountable and speaking up passionately with the truth but it's about always keeping my intentions pure and from the best place.
ETHICS: animal liberation is important to me and eating this way is far better for the animals and environment than even a cooked vegan diet.
FOOD FOREST: i am more excited to grow my own food and spend time in my food forest.
BIOLOGY: i'm a frugivore so i am designed to eat this way 🤷‍♀️
IM DONE: that's it! cooked food just doesn't work for me anymore. yep, it doesn't... but it never really has, no matter how much i told myself it was ok.

i may add to this list as things pop into my head. please lettuce know below why you are doing the 30 day challenge or why you stopped eating cooked food etc. let's inspire eachother to be true to our frugivore biology :)

Raw and than in the winter cooked food

2017-04-12T06:52:37.000Z

Hi guys,

I have a problem. I have been on a raw vegan diet maybe 1 year + and this winter I started cooking (vegetables+ rice or potatoes). Now I wanted to eat raw food again and I have
constipation problem. When I ate like this before cooking (mostly fruit) so I have no problem with it. I don't know what happened and now what can I do. Can you help me please? Do you think that it can be a candida? Or what? It is because of the cooked food before?:(

Thanks for the early answer.

Can someone explain how plants contain complete proteins?

2013-05-29T05:46:32.000Z

You hear it all the time. There are amino acids/proteins you can only get from animals. Plant sources don't contain all of them. What is the foundation for people saying this? The earth is flat?
I'm really just wondering the science behind it, since I hear this a lot and would like to give a good, well researched response with valid sources. Does Doug Graham cover this question?
Thank you guys!

worried about weight even on LFRV

2013-05-14T02:10:30.000Z

So, I have lost 10 lbs. on this lifestyle and reached my ultimate goal weight. However, sometimes my weight still does fluctuate a little and it really does my brain in sometimes. I came to this lifestyle because it really does make me feel my best and I want to be healthy, but I also came to it because, as someone with an eating disorder/body dysmorphic history, I loved the idea of being able to eat unlimited fruits & veggies without any guilt. Problem is, I still feel guilt sometimes if I eat too much food, even if it is all fruits & veggies and especially if I think I may have had too much avocado or raw tahini (my weaknesses!) Still, I make all my own food and always start my day with a fruit smoothie or melon and eat pretty well. I am getting ready to train to be a yoga instructor and go to yoga classes at least once or twice a week. I also walk everyday and work at a job where I'm on my feet all day so I'm fairly active. But I still worry about getting fat even though I've heard that it's impossible to get fat on this lifestyle. Anyone else had this issue? Any ideas?

Vegan Memes!

2013-03-13T04:15:56.000Z

VEGAN MEMES! Aren't you sick of the usual gym memes IIFYM bullshit, take whey brotein, 30%+ fat, meat, chicken dinners, and sucking on other mammals titties. Here is your chance to poke some fun at some of the common misconceptions regarding veganism. Share them with your not so enlightened friends.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Vegan-Memes/419800304777402

Alcohol has lost it's appeal

2013-02-22T04:32:30.000Z

So, I know 30BAD doesn't condone alcohol consumption, but I wanted to bring this up. Many of us have drank alcohol at some point in our lives at least so I think it makes sense and it's based off a recent observation I've had.Has anyone here noticed that, since going raw vegan, that alcohol has looked less appealing to them? For me, I used to drink every weekend, then I just drank a few times a month. However, lately since I've been back on LFRV, alcohol hasn't even appealed to me much anymore. Beer seems especially gross to me and liquor seems a little inviting but also very dehydrating and I know it wouldn't make me feel me best. Wine still looks a little appealing (maybe cause of all those grapes) but not as much as it used to. I was just wondering what anyone else's thoughts were on this and if any of you have experienced this same lack of interest in drinking since going raw vegan.Hey, I think it's a good thing! Less toxins in the body, and really, if you're with good friends/family and doing things you enjoy then you really don't need alcohol to have a good time. I still feel like this may seem a bit odd socially, but luckily most of my friends aren't huge drinkers anyway and those who are don't care if I drink or not. Anyway, just an observation....

Anyone in Ohio Doing HCRV?

2012-06-27T07:12:35.000Z

Hey, just putting this out there-are there any low fat/high carb raw vegans in Ohio? Particularly anyone doing the 30 day Challenge ( although it's OK if you're not, too)? Just curious, because I'm in Cincinnati, OH and I'm finally meeting at least some vegans but still don't really know anyone doing raw or 811rv style. I've been transitioning to this lifestyle, but now (especially with Freelee's 30 day challenge), I'm really giving it a serious shot. It would be really cool to have a 811rv buddy.

Durianrider & The Banana Girl are not your parents! ;-)....

2012-06-17T03:37:04.000Z

I guess this is a semi-rant ;-)

I was just sitting in bed with the sun shining in eating gooey dates (yes breakfast in bed) and started thinking....

One thing i've noticed over the years (since being a promoter of a high carb raw vegan lifestyle), is something interesting happens when certain folks/fans of ours fall off this lifestyle. They promptly go back to eating tortured animal bits and pieces (which is extremely saddening for me), and become bitter, resentful, develop a penchant to lie and basically all round HATEFUL of us :-/ Out of the blue WE are now responsible for how THEY feel. It's kinda like we suddenly have kids we didn't know about! I thought Durianriders vasectomy took care of that already! ;-O Please remember we aren't your parents, we are not responsible for the actions you take in life and promoting fruits and vegetables is NOT dangerous! Sigh…I won't lie, it IS disappointing. Durianrider, he is the MOST giving person I know, he loves nothing more than to see other people succeed in life and gives SO much of himself to increase the chance of this happening. His methods of helping some folks may not always make him popular BUT they are REAL and he is a very kind person with a heart of gold.

What I find ironic is the recommendations we gave these undercarbed folks WAS freely accepted (and met with unending gratitude) but is now deemed to be dangerous, irresponsible and unfair!! ( READ THE REST OF BLOG HERE

My latest video

Which Vibrams (shoes) should I get?

2012-06-15T18:43:17.000Z

http://www.vibramfivefingers.com/

I know a lot of you on here use these and recommend them. :)
Which should I get? There are so many choices!
I'm just getting into running, will likely be on a lot of trails and such.

Pros/cons?

Thanks! <3

New lfrv restaurant in Bangkok

2012-06-10T04:32:18.000Z

Opened a few days ago, will be expanding its menu when they see there is demand. For now they have banana ice cream, dateorade, smoothie and juice of the day. The owners are awesome, he, called 'K', is and ethical vegan, an ultra runner, and has a big heart for animals. They have free wifi, and consider their place a 'social club' where health-minded and vegan people go to mingle. Check it out if you are in Bangkok! And like their facenbook page!

http://www.facebook.com/bonita.c.sc

Raw Vegan=Cure for Depression?

2012-06-07T05:51:17.000Z

So, I just felt like throwing this out there. Although I've been in the process of transitioning back into a raw lifestyle (always vegan), I'm now at the point where I've cut out all cooked foods and have already been noticing a lot of positive changes. First off, I have more energy (of course) and just generally feel better. Common benefits of a LFRV lifestyle. However, I've also been noticing that I really do feel more attractive and, therefore, so much better about myself. My skin is absolutely glowing, my body is starting to really shape into the way I like it to be, and I just overall feel prettier. I also keep finding myself in a good mood for no particular reason. I love it. So this begs the question: Couldn't raw veganism be used as an alternative form of curing people with depression? Obviously, there have been a lot of people who were overweight and/or depressed before they found this way of life and who have turned their entire life around (like Freelea). It makes me feel that someone out there should be prescribing this lifestyle instead of all the drugs (aka "medications") to people with depression problems. I suppose many people wouldn't actually do it, but really I think the effects (even the more immediate ones) are pretty incredible. This should be used more for depression!

Video: My New Juicer Review and Recipe! (Jay Kordich Power Grind Pro Juicer)

2012-05-25T02:00:26.000Z

http://youtu.be/VZ7IIWiOcio

Please check out my video, "My New Juicer Review and Recipe! (Jay Kordich Power Grind Pro Juicer)"

My Jay Kordich Power Grind Pro Juicer just arrived, and I've been really enjoying it! I'll give you my review of the juicer :).

I'll show you a delicious juice using apples, pears, cucumbers and mangos.

Apples are extremely healthy; sometimes the simplest, easiest to find fruits and veggies are the healthiest too! Check out this article for more information on the health benefits of apples (http://www.besthealthmag.ca/eat-well/nutrition/15-health-benefits-o...).

A few of my favorite things about the juicer:

1. It is SO quiet! My boyfriend is an engineer and he was really impressed. He does a lot of juicing in the early mornings, so it's perfect!

2. The juice was so smooth and delicious. There was absolutely no fiber in it. It handled the greens amazingly well.

3. It extracted about FIVE TIMES more juice than my old juicer which is going to save us so much money! There was so much less waste. We were able to put more than half of the cucumbers we had planned on using back into the fridge because it made so much more juice than we were expecting!

4. It's machine washable! Yey!! It took me forever to clean up my old juicer.

Of course whole fruits and veggies are the healthiest, but who doesn't love a tasty juice from time to time? So refreshing!

I'm sorry I'm still a bit shy in my videos, I'm working on it guys! Thank you so much for your love and support!!! :) Please let me know if you try out this juicer and all of the tasty juice recipes you make with it!

Savory Raw Vegan Cucumber Pasta and Sauce!

2012-04-26T02:55:36.000Z

Please check out my new video, "Savory Raw Vegan Cucumber Pasta and Sauce!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv4qlUOx_Fk

I eat more than 3,000 calories a day, and stay slim. In fact, I lost 40 lbs eating WAY more than ever! In this video I'll show you how to make a delicious, savory raw vegan "pasta" and sauce.
Caution: this is not enough calories for a meal. Please use a website like cron-o-meter to be sure you are eating enough calories if you are a raw vegan. Eating enough calories is ESSENTIAL for good health! :)
http://terileventhalsblog.blogspot.com/

Ingredients: 1 yellow bell pepper, 2 carrots, 5 tomatoes, 3 large (or 6 small) cucumbers

Spiralize the cucumbers, and pulse the remaining ingredients in a food processor into a thick sauce!

Orange juice WITH pulp, and green smoothies? Upset stomach when eating salads/greens.

2012-04-23T10:34:36.000Z

Hello!

Okay, so I know juicing isn't the greatest since it takes out all the fiber and whatnot. What about juicing oranges (with just a citrus juicer, nothing too fancy) and adding the pulp back in?
I noticed on Cronometer, juiced oranges have significantly less calories than whole ones. Is that because it's not counting the pulp? When I juice oranges I have pretty much all the orange in my glass.

Also, I've been having trouble eating greens. Salads make me bloated the next day. I usually just do iceberg/romaine/spinach, tomatoes, cucumber, and lemon juice. The tomatoes and cucumber are fine because I can eat those alone. It's the greens that make me bloated, even if I eat them without the tomatoes and cucumber. I'm not eating fruit too close to the salad. I'm hydrated. So what gives?
Cooked food made me really bloated the past year before going raw, and the greens have the same affect.

I was thinking about trying green smoothies instead. Is there any problem with that? Do you have a good recipe? I really like tomato, so would something like tomato/spinach/celery/some other kind of greens blended be about right? I'm definitely not an expert on greens!

Thanks guys!
<3 <3

Bananas and Weight Loss: Banana "Ice Cream" Recipe Video!

2012-04-21T10:41:17.000Z

Is it just me, or do the rest of you feel that bananas make you feel fitter, faster, and healthier than ever? I've been adoring them lately!

Check out my new recipe video: Raw Vegan Banana "Ice Cream"!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5O3ZlmPTvQ I eat more than 3,000 calories a day, and stay slim. In fact, I lost 40 lbs eating way more than ever! See how in this video! I'll show you how to make delicious raw vegan "ice cream". I'll show you my fridge too :). Fruit does not make you fat!
http://terileventhalsblog.blogspot.com/
http://www.facebook.com/teri.leventhal

Half naked picture of Freelee from today.

2012-03-25T07:33:43.000Z

Freelee in a bikini. After 2 meals. Today. No starvation, no dehydration, no diuretics.

So we look at Freelee's before shots and we know what works now.

2-3 hours light cardio a week works.

Vegan works.

Squatting vs sitting on the toilet works.

Unlimited carb cals works.

Low sodium intake works.

B12 shots work.

Fruit works.

Going to bed early works.

Being patient with results works.

Aiming for a sub 20min 5000m works.

Talking the stairs works.

I am scared: Is this going to be a vegan documentary? :/

2012-03-20T10:14:08.000Z

Sorry if that was posted already on here, i searched but could not find anything. If so, please point me to the right thread. Thank you!

Advice on moving across the country?

2012-03-07T09:43:21.000Z

What advice can you give someone who would like to move across the country?

I think I could get a job easily, I currently work at Starbucks, and there are plenty of those where I'm looking into moving.

How do you coordinate starting a job and moving in? By having enough saved up for a few months rent and starting work maybe a week after you move?

I'm looking into California. :)

Our High Carb Raw Vegan Dating site...

2012-02-01T11:33:21.000Z

Hey 30BaDers,

We have another site which has laid dormant for a while now. I have just reactivated it so when you get a chance check it out. It's specifically for those who want to meet their High carb raw vegan honey. ;-)

CLICK below to check it out>>

FRUITAPEEL

We are also looking for a reliable moderator who has been a member of 30BaD for some time.

Have fun!

What is the most efficent way to save the earth? <3

2011-12-09T11:16:41.000Z

We are all doing the biggest thing individually by choosing our lifestyle. Each one of us is doing an AMAZING thing.

Now that personal nutrition is figured out, what is next? I know spreading raw veganism to others is one of the greatest things we can do, with probably the greatest impact on the earth.

But what's next?

Optimal living might mean living in a village, no grocery stores, no cars... and that's all great, but if we just disappear into the forest then who is saving the earth? (Besides the fact that doing so would be saving the earth on an individual level.)

I feel like things are getting better every day, getting closer to what is right. But I also feel like we all need to work as a group to do something else... Where nutrition is concerned, we're at the best place. If everyone were raw vegan and factory farms were phased out, that is one problem taken care of. But... what about cars, pollution, airplanes, electricity...

I definitely understand how amazing it is to be able to travel to other countries quickly, I enjoy the comforts of heat and lights (though a fireplace and candles would be just fine!) and the internet especially. I'm very glad for the internet because it brings us together.

Is there a way for nature and modern comforts to coexist?

Solar power, wind power, I'm glad these are replacing their more harmful counterparts. But... it's still harmful. The materials needed to make windmills etc, out of metals and plastics, I feel puts strain on the earth as well. Of course this is better than using oil and whatever the heck nuclear power is.

As for cars and airplanes, how would we travel long distances quickly but still be non-harmful to the environment? Are there earth-friendly options? Besides trekking like Frodo and Sam?

What can I do? What can we do together?

So what I'm asking for is ideas. Should we buy land, build awesome villages out of natural resources and plant fruit trees for generations to come (well yes :p)?

What about cars? People can't seem to live without them. What is appealing to someone who uses a car every day, that isn't a car?

There are these ideas of electric cars, solar cars, to undo the damage that was done. But why not no cars? (PS is riding horses ethical if you treat them right?)

I appreciate this 'green movement', even if a lot of people do it (not talking about the people here) because it's popular. I'm glad it's popular. But I feel like all these things, all these 'green products', 'eco friendly' things, they are still things that we don't need.

I feel like we are curing a symptom and not the problem. Like being sick (not that we really get sick; has anyone gotten a cold while being raw?), you might take medicine to cure the symptoms of coughing/sneezing/high temp., but you're not curing the problem of why you were sick in the first place (lifestyle). Apply this to the earth. People's destructive habits make the earth sick, we have to take care of it the way we would take care of ourselves. So how? All this time and effort is going into things that we can simply do without. So how do we make that appealing to those so attached to material living? How do we do it faster? Should everyone just movie to tropical climates and then abandon modern travel? :p

What am I doing personally? The same as most of you guys I guess. I recycle, I unfortunately drive to work and the grocery store (am getting a bike for going to work in the summer), I share this lifestyle with everyone I meet it seems. But I want to do more, so badly. So please share your ideas. Let us live on this earth peacefully, in harmony with it. Hippy froo froo peace and love.

Tldr: How do I get to Thailand by paddleboat?

Bloating: What to do?

2011-11-08T07:53:03.000Z

So I've been following a LFRV lifestyle and I love it. I generally feel great and am pretty much always energetic and in a good mood. However, I can't help but notice that I've been feeling a bit bloated lately. My weight has stayed about the same. I haven't gained or lost weight, but I just feel and look bloated which I do not like. I've been tracking my intake on a FitDay app so I know I've been getting 2000-2500 calories a day and my percent ratios have been around 80-10-10 and often 90-5-5. Any ideas of why this is happening or what could be done to stop or prevent it? Thanks in advance for any feedback; I'd really like to figure this out!

Not much progress regarding fitness level. Advise?

2011-09-09T17:34:22.000Z

Hello. I was sedentary for 31 years of my life, and i am talking really sedentary (except for cycling about 5 k daily for the last four years, but without hills and veeery slowly. In Amsterdam. One a tall black dutch bike :). I was also undereating (1200-1500 cals per day on cooked vegetarian/vegan food) pretty much all the time, weighing around 107 pounds.

I went hcrv 18 months ago, started to eat 2500-3500, downing the water, sleeping properly. Gained about 15-20 pounds of blubber (now about 120, 5'4, some blubber is still there). Pretty much when i started hcrv i also started to exercise. I am doing 90 minutes of Ashtanga yoga 4-5 times a week. And i am running. Here is my question: I am running 3-5 times a week, between 2.5 and 6 miles. But i am not seeing any progress. Am i too impatient to expect that my running times improve within one year? Today i ran 4 miles, and it still took me 45 minutes, which is the same minute/mile-time that i ran when i started a year ago!

So, do you think i am doing something wrong, or is this the (my) time that it takes to get fit? Granted, i can run way further now, since i started with half a mile. I maybe should mention that i am doing barefoot running, which seems is not very appreciated by some people on this forum. But i am pretty confident that this is not responsible for my snail tempo. It is just that my heartbeat goes up fast and i am getting out of breath when i run faster. I am monitoring my heartrate and if i am running naturally (not getting out of breath) it comes to 88% average, which is about 166bpm.

I really would be grateful if you have some advise for me. I was already thinking about getting a 'coach', but i am low on money and i even would not know whom to ask.

Thanks fruit-heads!

Help Needed!!

2011-08-08T16:58:24.000Z

I live in a super small town in Texas, so the availability of truly ripe fruit is pretty unreliable. I could probably manage a bi-weekly trip to Ft.Worth and hit up whole foods, but my experience on storing fruit is limited to nada. Does anyone have any good tips on preserving? The stores here usually only keep there fruits until a day or two before actually being ripe. Are there ways to ripen your fruit faster? Any tips on having a ready to eat inventory would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

How many calories do other animals (in the wild) eat?

2011-07-05T17:13:58.000Z

Does anybody know a good source? If i google that question i only find nasty links on how many calories are IN a particular animal, jeez.

Apparently chimps can only eat 3-4 bananas a day (random yahoo-answers finding, not sure about that). We are talking about chimps in captivity though, totally different story.

I am hoping to find something mostly in order to include that in discussions with the peeps that have arguments like:

- You are eating too much!

- Yes, you are not fat, but maybe that is just your constitution! I know this guy who can eat 6000 calories a day from junk food and is super lean, so your weight is not an argument for anything.

- You are wasting precious food by shoveling it in, and additionally overload your digestive system!

- You are gluttonous.

- you probably have worms.

Thank you! x

San Francisco 811 tips please

2011-05-26T23:52:19.000Z

Hi All, i will be in San Francisco (and Santa Cruz, Mountain View and San Jose) from the 1st to the 14th of June, and i would be very grateful for any keywords you could drop into my direction. Markets and other cheap places to get fruit, places to go in general and for running and for climbing (i don't have a climbing buddy, so in case someone wants to get together and do some belaying that would be marvelous, would love to try the Mission Hall), nice areas to explore, fruits to try that you can not really get in the Midwest, etc.

I am pretty short with time, so i don't think i will be able to prepare as much as i would like to for my trip.

Thanks!

Where to order dates in mainland Europe?

2011-05-13T20:37:48.000Z

Any good organic soft-date connections with the Middle East? And i would also be grateful for any other Europe-fruit info. Where to order tropical fruits, etc. Thanks!

real confusion about calories in dates

2011-05-08T18:16:17.000Z

Hi all,

I often have dateorade with 20 medjool dates, believing that would be 1340 cals. Today i was actually weighing my 20 dates, and it turned out it was only 300g instead of 480g (which is what Cronometer gives me as weight for 20 pitted dates). So did i only consume 800 instead of 1300 calories? Darn!

One option could be thought that the weight difference is water weight, since they seem more dry now than they seem to be during date season (they are still called 'fresh organic dates'). So then the calories would still be accurate.

Anyway, i would be glad to get some advise, since i thought with 2 datorades i would consume 2700 cals a day, which in fact would only be a meager 1600 otherwise :(