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electrolyte (sodium) content of parts (peels) of fruits, ie lemons

2018-02-05T14:35:36.000Z

I'm looking for studies or other types of information that have measured the nutrient, mainly sodium and other electrolyte content of fruits and am interested in peels.

Google scholar isn't super yielding searching for electrolyte forms (bonds) in ie coconut water or contents in lemons / lemon peels or just the pith not coming off with the peel while peeling.

The interesting thing on chronometer is most foods that are commonly referred to as rich(er) in sodium like coconut water, most melons, spaghetti squash etc demonstrate these contents on chronometer (usda / nccdb).

Lemons or raw lemon juice however don't really show much at all.

Lemon Juice, Canned, Bottled or Boxed however demonstrate enough to think you could get much of what you need from a few 250 ml (roughly 1 cup) bottles of lemon juice (I love lj).

the ones I buy are just 100% lemon juice, no other ingredients and not (from) concentrate and have hazier, whiter sets at the bottom until you shake the bottles.

Does anybody have an idea why this difference?

Properly ripened when juiced in Italy rather than picked for whole fruit export?

My guess is bottled or canned lemon juice has added salt for shelf life outside of the EU but considering how lemons are said to be high in electrolytes I wonder why this wouldn't show up in the assays of the USDA on raw lemon juice.

lemon (slices with) peel infused water also gets the high in electrolyte reputation and a comparison of apples with and without peel on chronometer seem to suggest most of the sodium is found in the peel... "lemon peel" in the usda db doesn't seem to contain that much so I wonder if it's the zest and not the white stuff that has been measured...

In the summer naturally I'll just buy lots of melons and such top sources.

Thanks for reading!

Low Energy on Rawtill4/HCLF

2015-06-26T20:31:01.000Z

Hey so I have been eating pretty much Rawtill4 (sometimes have fully raw days and (not very often) occasionally eating big salads or miso soup (yes sodium bleh) at lunch for the about last past month. I feel really low energy still though, even though I'm eating so much fruit during the day and sometimes the evening. Am I doing something wrong? Is it because of too much sodium? (I don't know if that factors or not heheh) Should I just stick with it and wait until my energy levels are up?

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is it salt or sodium?

2015-02-02T22:59:49.000Z

i know no salt(low sodium) diets can aid in not retaining extra water weight, but is eliminating salt enough? or do you have to also limit sodium rich veggies to keep off the water retention?

Sodium-Potassium Ratio

2014-12-05T08:39:09.000Z

Hello everyone! :)
Are there any advice out there on what an ideal ratio between sodium and potassium would be? Is there even one such? And is it even something necessary to consider in terms of health (especially on this lifestyle)?
Thank you!

Why do high carb vegans seem to be more sensitive to salt?

2014-07-20T23:06:20.000Z

...and have more noticeable side effects from it?

Sweet potatoes water retention= too much sodium ?

2014-04-25T02:17:46.000Z

My staple dinners usually consist of 4 to 5 lb of sweet potatoes (nothing else, due to bad digestion).

However, when i have a raw dinner or 90% raw (with just a few cooked veggies), my weight goes down almost 4lbs!

Could this be cause of the NATURAL sodium content Sweet potatoes have?

Animals seek salt in nature...

2014-04-21T16:24:47.000Z

Hey guys,

So Easter dinner was yesterday and as always, my family ganged up on me and picked apart my diet. My grandma told me she seen on T.V the other day that elephants in the desert had dug their way down to a salt mine to lick the salt! Also, my uncle pointed out that deer lick the salt from the roads and he provides his cattle with a salt lick. My mom also has one available for our horses. I told them that I eat celery because it has natural sodium in it but didn't know what else to say...

Help! Is it true that animals crave salt for a biological reason or is it just an addiction? Should I be eating some kind of salt daily? I haven't been touching salt. Just raw fruits & veggies for 21 days now. I need some backup… I hate when my family makes me feel insecure about my decisions!

How do I get enough sodium on 80 10 10?

2013-07-26T01:26:03.000Z

I know I can eat tons of carrots and celery, but I'm wondering if anyone has any other tips or go-to fruits & veggies that give adequate sodium. I've noticed on cronometer that my sodium is about 12% per day (I have it set to a minimum of 500mg, which is what Freelee and Dr. Doug Graham advocate). Any advice would be greatly appreciated :)!

Thanks!

-Sara

Sodium Levels on 80 10 10

2013-06-03T09:50:18.000Z

I have only one concern with this diet - how are people getting adequate sodium? I am having a huge amount of greens (in comparison the same amount of greens/leaves as those with role model 811 daily food intakes) - namely an extremely big bowl of greens for my salad every night. I also try and add in celery - green smoothies and dressings - to help top it up. Never the less according to the cronometer I am using it is still way below the RDI. The other minerals however are fine. I find this is backed up with the sorts of cravings I have, ie salty foods. In turn is anyone else watching their sodium intake via a cronometer?

Just a "second puberty", something else or both?

2013-04-09T06:33:23.000Z

Hi everyone,

I'm in so much pain right now. Not only do I have pain on my right shoulder, arm, and breast, but also my entire back now. I feel pain in my right breast when I laugh, sneeze, cough or clear my throat. Sometimes the pain feels like it were in my heart, but I think and hope it's only my breast. :-/ My breasts are feeling generally very heavy, but I have no clue what size they are, I just know their size (cups and all) have increased drastically since going HCRV. All of this scares me. Due to an appointment (non-medical related) that costed me nearly 200€, I'm broke and I had to seek help by my guidance counselor by the vocational school yesterday, as I need to be able to live. I'm not working today and will be going to the doctor today, as I am barely able to move my right arm and bend, let alone work. It is a struggle, as I am the only one that can buy my foods and I desperately need vegan vitamin D.

Is my body simply going through the most painful growing pains as a result of my low bone density and my previous 11-year long anorexia? I'm now 26 years old.

I'm wondering if celeriac could (also) be a cause for my pain because I noticed yesterday and the day before yesterday when I ate my celeriac "rice" salad that my breathing room was very tight, I felt bloated and swollen, including in both of my breasts. Could it be a shock from my body because of the high sodium content of the celeriac? I don't believe the red bell peppers, tomatoes, scallions or herbs have effected me, especially because I eat tomatoes regularly (except in winter) and red bell peppers even more often. I know the lamb's lettuce isn't a cause for my pain as well. There were no other ingredients in the recipe.

^^Such savoury recipes have helped solve my greens problem. But I'm afraid of not being able to eat celeriac. Unfortunately there's leftovers from it and I have a moral dilemma of whether or not to eat it (just to get it over with).

Hot showers, but unfortunately short term. It would be ideal if I had a bathtub and could sleep in it, but that's not possible.

I'm not giving up and I'm continuing to fight as always, but right now is not easy for me.

For the record (to help with any suggestions). I'm allergic to all citrus fruits, kiwi, and pineapple. I've not been able to eat bananas or drink banana smoothies without gagging, BUT I still want to try Esperanza's recipe recommendation with bananas and dates and am so hopeful that it works. I know my massive date consumption may not be optimal, but I do include as much fruits as I can with more vitamin C. I'm hopeful to find a solution that doesn't hurt my finances even more and that I'll be able to eat loads of calories without having to be mostly dependent on dates.

Many thanks in advance. :)

SALICORNIA (sea bean) - SALT PLANT??? too much sodium???

2013-01-10T23:10:50.000Z

So today my family gave me a bunch of stuff amongst which was a pack of SALICORNIA (also known as sea beans, glasswort, pickleweed, and marsh samphire), it's a green vegetable, I tasted and it tasted like pure salt!!
I went to check online for it's sodium content and it says that it has 70mg of sodium per 75grams of the weed, but I wonder if that is right?? Anyone has any info on this plant??
It tastes to me like to much sodium but I want to hear opinions!

Note: this is a plant that grows close to the ocean and feeds on it's water to live, unlike regular plants which can't take any salt water in them. Hence the reason for the salty taste.

info on the plant - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salicornia

Dried Nori Seaweed?

2012-12-31T19:54:02.000Z

I was wondering if dried Nori is 80/10/10-approved. It has no preservatives (in the ingredient list) and salt added, although it does, of course, have a certain amount of sodium in it. It's all-natural, but is it really ideal for human consumption? I'm asking because I was thinking of making veggie rolls tonight, and lettuce is too soft to hold up well enough.

Thank you in advance for any feedback! (:

-Shannon

Sea Salt good? Table salt 30% glass/sand?

2012-09-21T19:40:51.000Z

Ive been eating 80-95% fruit since 2,5 years back and never felt a need to eat salt, but the statement this "doctor" made got me a little curious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1hrqrKcE3A&feature=player_embedded

He says those things ive heard someny times before that cancer doesnt grow if your blood is alkaline and eating raw will turn our blood alkaline. This kind of give me a bit belief in him.

Then he says that lots of table salt is 30% salt, 30 % glass and 30% sand and therefore is bad for you, wears out your vains and so on. Is this true and if so that sand and glass must be very fine pulverized not to be seen when you dissole the salt in water? Sounds very strange to me.

Then he says that sea salt is good and that salt is necessary for the electricity within our body.

Last time i checked on salt was right when i started and then i got to the conclusion that sodium within celery or tomatoes or fruit would be enough. Just curious now if anyone can verify or debunk those things about sea salt and table salt glass/sand? :)

Answers with scources would be interesting but either way is fine.

salt levels too low??

2012-08-29T00:50:59.000Z

so i have cystic fibrosis and ive been doing the 80/10/10 hcrv thing for about a month now. its going great- my digestion is so much better, my skin is clearing up, etc , but my only concern is i know that people with cystic fibrosis need more sodium/salt than normal people ...

it explains it in this http://www.cffatboy.com/2010/07/cystic-fibrosis-patients-need-more-salt/

but isn't salt toxic? so i wouldnt want to add sea salt to my food, right?... so i was wondering if anyone had any ideas of what i should do about this?

Can celery make you retain a lot of water?

2012-06-19T14:56:23.000Z

I'm aware that celery is a (great) source of sodium. That being said, can celery make you retain a lot of water. With the exception of today, I've been eating over 500g celery. This week I've been feeling as if I've been keeping more in, instead of it eventually coming out (if you know what I mean).

I don't cheat ever. I've been completely 100% 811-lfrv since 12 May this year. I never eat anything cooked, only mono-meals, and only wholefoods (no added ingredients or any sort of schnick-schnack). For me it's not even about discipline, rather because I feel so much better as opposed to prior to my change. I eat between 3000 and 6000 calories a day (thank my beloved dates that help to boost the calories ;) ) and I drink at least 2 liters of water a day (often 3).

Especially from experienced 811-LFRVs who live so for at least 2 years, any advice/constructive criticism is welcome and appreciated. :)

Many thanks in advance! :)

Sodium on Our Diets! (Newbie Question)

2012-04-14T00:29:59.000Z

Hey 30B Community! This is my First day and my First post!

I´m starting my journey on LFRV Diet. I´m half-way finishing the 80-10-10 diet Book.

Today, I signed up at www.cronometer.com

And I´ve eaten (So Far) the following:

8 Bananas

2kg Watermelon

2 Tangerines

2 Apples

5 Glasses of Water

Viewing my Cronometer.com calorie-intakes (which is currently 1750kcal a day)

I noticed what I was missing:

I now know I should get my Vitamin b12 from supplements (which Im planning to buy tomorrow)

Vitamin D is from the Sun

BUT (and here´s the question)

WHAT ABOUT OUR SODIUM INTAKE?

I found our ideal dosis should be between

1500-2300mg

but now since I´m not eating any cooked food or salt I don´t know from where should I get it....

Suggestions please?
Greetings from Perú
:)

Sodium needs in hot weather

2012-03-04T08:55:12.000Z

I've read all posts here on sodium but still cannot figure out a way to manage without some salt.

I've had this problem in cold winter weather. Now I'm staying in Thailand and it's hot in here. I'm drinking up to 9 liters of water daily because I'm thirsty. I'm eating mainly bananas, mangoes, dragonfruit, papaya and coconut water. I'm not eating much greens right now and I haven't seen any celery.

I begun to feel weak and dizzy after a few days here and just had to get some salted nuts which helped. I have also now moved to a room with A/C.

How can I get enough sodium? I don't want to eat any nuts as I'm also trying to detox/heal while staying here. Carrot juice? More coconut water? If so, how much?

Lightheaded, weak without salt???

2012-02-19T04:20:49.000Z

When I do 811 perfectly for more than a week or so, I get lightheaded extremely easily, often have trouble drawing a deep breath (especially when warm or slightly overheated) and feel serious muscle weakness. I also get muscle cramps and sometimes twitches. If I eat salt or seaweed, this goes away.Perhaps I have adrenal issues? I underslept a lot when younger, but have been getting plenty of sleep for the past ten months or so.Now I definitely have a fondness for the taste of salt, but this isn't psychosomatic (I'm not deluding myself into thinking I have this symptoms as an "excuse" to have salt.)I haven't been exercising much... this is an average days's food/water intake:1 quart water upon rising, usually with some lemon juice in it1 pineapple, or several oranges or several apples15 medjools or 30 deglets with about two quarts water15 medjools or 30 with about two quarts water (again)A few pieces of fruit, maybe some romaine.CeleryA couple quarts waterI know I should get more variety, but money is tight.

Olives for sodium (Na)?

2012-01-21T09:56:29.000Z

Hails!

This is my fourth day on 811, it's great! I've read most of Grahams book, but haven't had time to go through it in detail. So please have patience with my questions.

Since I'm new to this diet, I'm really anal with my cronometer.com. Every thing I eat is weighed and put in the program. What concerns me are a couple of values:

Fluoride

Sodium

Zinc

Also about half of my amino acids are just at 50% which concerns me.

So, is it a good idea to eat olives for sodium? With 13 olives I got it above 70%. Also it was really good, like a thousand orgasms in my mouth. Olives rock! Are the olives that's in a glass jar with water raw? Or are they pickled/canned? Are there raw olives?

If you have anything to say about my fluoride, zinc and amino acids as well, I'd be great full!

Thanks!
William

Confused about onions, protein, vitamin e, sodium and avocados < Noob warning :) >

2012-01-14T17:50:17.000Z

Hello!

Lovin' 811 in 2012 so far! But, I have some questions!

Spring Onions

Some people seem to be against spring onions completely, and some people say the green stems are actually okay. Is that 'okay' as in good for you, or 'okay' as in okay for transitioning? This also goes for chives.

Protein

My daily protein percentage rarely gets above 5%. What kind of daily food menu would get me a higher protein percentage (i.e. 10%) without adding a ton of fat?

Vitamin E

Any good sources of this other than avocado and pine nuts?

Sodium

My daily sodium intake is pretty low. My main source is celery and right now, I don't care for it that much. On my blog, people have kindly pointed out not to worry too much about the high level RDA. What do you guys use as a goal instead of the RDA?

Avocados

I read somewhere that you shouldn't eat more than a few of these a week. I love avocados right now! Avocado + tomato in romaine lettuce = YUM! As long as I stick to 80-10-10 (or thereabouts), is a daily avocado okay? I'm only eating avos, and very small amounts of nuts/seeds for fat, no oils or anything.

Thanks in advance, ya'll!

sodium chloride/sodium bicarbonate in bottled water

2011-10-25T19:33:46.000Z

What is this? It's sodium right?

These water bottles I've been chugging down daily also have:

ingredients: Purified water, Potassium Bicarbonate, Sodium Bicarbonate, Cacium Citrate, Sodium Chloride, and Magnesium Oxide.

I just noticed these ingredients this morning in my class!

So there is sodium in these water bottles?? Can this affect me??

Selenium, Sodium, Vitamin E.

2011-09-07T15:42:03.000Z

After using Cronometer.com for the past week, I have discovered that my intake is consistently low in these nutrients. For those of you who objectively make a point to get these nutrients, what are your sources that you find the most practical?

I know that selenium is in Brazil nuts, but I am not going to eat brazil nuts every day (too much fat). Any fruit sources?

For sodium, I know of seaweed. What fruit/veg sources? Cronometer.com recommends 21.8mg daily for me, is this right or might it be lower?

For vitamin E, I see a list of viable fruits (ex. avocado, blackberries, mango), but I am wondering what those of you who get 100% or more vitamin E daily find practical to eat in order to get that.

Thanks!

Carrots

2011-08-28T12:46:48.000Z

I can't find a good source of sodium last time, because can't get a tasty celery. So I've started to look on carrots as nice and cheap alternative.

Is it ok to have about 500g of carrots every day? What do you think? What's your deal with carrot?

P.S. Also I know that seaweed is very rich on sodium, but I've read somewhere at this forum that it's not recomended by many people (e.g. Harley). But why?

Does Too Much Plant Based SODIUM Cause Negative Health Effects?

2011-08-28T05:39:26.000Z

I've been addicted to sodium my whole life and always preferred salty to sweet on SAD. Especially as cooked vegan this was always the case. My concern is that I am finding ways to overdo it once again with raw foods. Some days I will eat cantaloupe, celery, carrots and coconut water and I feel like I am using it as a crutch like I always have. Is it possible that some people's requirements are way higher than 500 mg per day? I also cannot find any info on which sodium compound is found in plants. If it's not sodium chloride then what exactly is it? This question has really been nagging me. I even sent an email to an old friend that majored in chemistry but have recieved no response to this question.

Newbie: Troubling Sodium & Potassium situation

2010-08-20T02:37:28.000Z

Hey folks,

I'm new to 30Bad. Recently read David Klein's Self-Healing C&C and have 80/10/10 Diet on order.

I've recently gone to a LFRV diet as advocated by Dr. David Klein to try to tackle my aggravated Crohn's Disease condition. Since then however, I began feeling worse and worse and after a blood test I ended up in hospital with critically low sodium (at risk of siezure) and critically high potassium (at risk of heart failure) i.e. I could have died.

Now there are a few other factors that could have contributed to this. a) I have no large intestine after emergency surgery in 2002 due to Crohn's related complications. This means that I have more difficulty absorbing electrolytes and other minerals such as sodium. b) I wasn't having as much juiced celery juice as was recommended (6-10 stalks per day rather than the 10-20 stalks per day that Dr. Dave has since recommended for me).

Anyway, I spent 3.5 days in the hospital where they corrected my levels and brought them back within a safe range. However, since then (even after juicing more celery and adding sea salt to my diet) the problem of rising potassium has continued. The doctors are not sure why this is happening especially since my adrenal glands seem to be working as they are supposed to (adrenals play a role in regulating sodium & potassium).

Wondering if anyone here has had or knows anyone who has had a similar experience (I seem to be a strange anomaly case) or has any suggestions/resources/contacts that might be able to help shed further light on my particular case.

Peace.

DESERT HALF IRONMAN...Do I need salt?

2010-07-05T18:17:05.000Z

Hey all,

I have a big race coming up. It's called the Osoyoss Desert Half Iron and it consists of a 2km swim, 90km cycle, and a 21km run.

The bike course is ALL hills too! I gotta cycle up and down one of thebiggest and longest hills in B.C twice...eeeep. I'm getting a new chainput on my bike today as well as new brake pads and swapping my tiresfor new ones which I won last year at a race :)

It's taking place 6 days from now which means it's during the peak of the hot season for this part of Canada in the driest part too...tis' the only desert in Canada!

Anyways, should I just juice some celery the morning of and mix that with coconut water for my salt intake or should I rock the salt tablets like Mike the fruitarian?

Does anyone have any last 'minute' advice for fueling for this race? I plan on eating dates, bananas, and drinking coconut water for the entire 5hr+ race.

Thanks for any words of wisdom and suggestions you may have to offer,

T

Oh, and I'm doing the run portion of the race in bare feet!

Questions about Swwweat!

2010-03-06T01:17:39.000Z

Hiya pals!
Watch DR's video today "A Day in the Life" and I appreciated your reminder about water weight -- sweating and replenishing water for hydration. It is so silly to think one would lose weight immediately after one exercise session. So, the point is, the NEXT DAY when you weight yourself right before exercising, you could very well be 1/4 lb lighter or something, more likely less than that, but gradual loss is the name of the game.

I have a thought/question though -- if one still has salt in their body (not the natural type) -- they could potentially still be losing EXCESS water weight that is held onto by salt -- do you think? Dr. Graham told me before that it can take 1-3 months of intense exercise (and giving up salt 100%) to get rid of all that is left in your body after xx number of years you've eaten it and xx amount that you ate. Therefore, if you still have it in your body, you could theoretically just be losing that water weight, and not have to replenish as much as it would seem. Not that these relatively small amounts really matter, or that drinking a bit of EXTRA water would really harm you (much), I'm sure the body would expel it. Thoughts?

Second question is about washing sweat off your body right after exercise. Does the salt or sodium get absorbed back in to your body if you do not rinse it all off? I have been doing Bikram Yoga this month to once and for all get out ALL SALT, and for 90 minutes that sweat just puddles on my skin.

Best -- xoxo -- JGL

Sodium and peeing

2009-12-08T01:46:08.000Z

Ok so heres the deal. I have been peeing like ever 2 hours around the clock for a while now.. like 2 months. I am wondering if it is just an effect of the 811 diet or not. For a while I had concluded that it was. But now I am thinking that maybe it is tied into my sodium intake. Since I am no longer eating any overt sources of sodium.. aka salt I was wondering if maybe my body is adjusting to these new lower levels of over all salt. I have been totally raw since the beginning of this year and trying to transition to 811 during that time. Ever since the end of September I have been pretty much 811 with a few occasions where I would eat a lot of nuts.So where I am at is wondering if any of you have had experience with this issue. Alot of times my bladder isn't totally full but still I have the sensation I need to pee so I do. Its a little annoying.I have been downing tomatoes like crazy.. at least a pound or 2 a day for a few weeks now, figuring they would be a good source of sodium.. but now I am going to start adding celery in and see how that goes. Also as of late.. with citrus here (woot Florida!!!) my intake of water has increased. But anyways back onto the celery.. I've never really eaten it, but I think for the next week or so I am going to start adding more into my diet. Also since the weather is cooler I don't sweat near as much as I was during summer.Ah so anouther question is.. is it possible for my sodium levels to be too low and for my body to need to expell all the extra water.. causing me to pee more frequently then I would if I start adding in more sodium? I remember hearing somewhere that sodium causes one to retain water.. I wouldn't mind that.. just a bit to where I dont go pee ever hour or so ( I can go 15+ a day easy).Can anyone relate? <3 ya!Thanks!

Banana Mono Diet: Too much potassium and not enough sodium?

2009-01-11T00:43:08.000Z

I know I'm doing a lot of banana posts but this is something I'd really like to clear up, especially since a lot of us are doing [the best we can on] the banana mono diet.A friend sent this to me earlier today:"If the sodium gets to low and the potassium too high, it throws off the human electrolyte system, and can cause problems from mild gastrointestinal problems to kidney problems, to severe cardiac problems (cardiac arrest-death if) if the NA (sodium) gets too low (below 120 for too long) and the K+ (potassium) gets too high. (above 7-7.5)."Any and all feedback appreciated, thanks family:)