Kevin Gianni cops out? Again!?

2011-02-06T07:27:56.000Z

Gianni is back pedalling to be nice to all us raw/vegan crew. He never mentions my name or our site for fear of people learning more about raw and vegan.

Here is a post I put out all over the net today after Bad boy Gianni deleted my comments of his blog.

Kevins statement:

“How come Kevin left out all the big gun vegan speakers? Dr McDougall, Jeff Novic,Will Tuttle, Doug Graham, Dr Ornish, Dr Klaper, Dr Barnard etc??? ”

Here’s how come…

- Dr. McDougall said “I’ll pass.”
- Dr. Ornish was contacted 4 times – no answer.
- Dr. Klaper – I chose Dr. Goldhamer (Dr. Klaper works at True North with Goldhamer)
- Dr. Barnard – Contacted 4 times as well – no answer.
- Will Tuttle emailed me after the fact and we’re going to have him on the Renegade Health Show in the next few months.
- Doug Graham we will have on the show in the near future as well (we had him already in Nov.)

Please, please, please be careful with your assumptions. :-)

Kev

My reply today:

Basically Doug Graham wanted to be on but was not invited. Kev says its cos Doug has been on before but so have most of his current debate line up. Fred Patenaude was contacted on Monday and had to give his debate against Sisson on Wednesday!!! Gianni says 'Im giving a balanced debate folks'..Err please explain why there is 2.5 vegans vs 10 non vegans? Please explain why the free bonus book is from Susan Schenk titled 'Raw vegan explains why she changed her diet to included animal products'. I cover Susan's mistakes in this vid: http://www.youtube.com/wat ch?v=R5FN_RBXHJA

Bad boy Kevvy! You made your fame and fortune from the raw vegan community and now you covertly say fruit based diets are toxic and dont even deserve a mention in 'the greatest health debate in modern history'. You act like Doug Graham is a quack and let in crew like Vitalis and Croxton and call em 'health experts' while Doug Graham is left on the sidelines like a rookie waterboy thats only even there cos he won a waterboy comp from the back of a weeties packet. Real health food is fruits and veg not affiliate links to more of DW's elixir hype and Mercolas pro meat tripe. Basically this 'debate' is 2.5 vegans paddling a boat with 10 anti vegans in front of a massive crowd and what you think people are going to conclude?

Giving away a free Susan Schenk ebook and calling it a 'non sided debate' is like doing a debate on sustainable transport and you give a brochure on how a cyclist almost got killed commuting to work and why they now drive a car like everyone else. But hey Kev's not anti vegan at all. ;) Its just a DR conspiracy or something. ;)

So basically Gianni is giving out a free Ebook by Susan Schenk about how she almost died as a raw vegan (she starved herself on a calorie restriction anorexia diet) and he isnt giving it to informed people! GIANNI IS GIVING IT TO A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE NEVER EVEN TRIED A VEGAN/RAW VEGAN LIFESTYLE!!!

We gave Kevin a new profile banner while he is sleeping ;-D

Kevin Gianni's answer to why Dr D isn't in 'The Great Health Debate'

2011-02-05T10:46:52.000Z

For those of you who are interested in why Dr D isn't part of the upcoming Debate - Here is the facebook conversation we had on Kevin Gianni's wall just recently. Kevin skirted the question as much as he could but was forced to give an answer in the end. Not a good one as far as I'm concerned. Decided to copy the whole thread because there is some great contribution to read. Kevin's replies are bolded.

Freelee Fruititionist - Kevin Gianni
Hey Kevin, myself and many others are wondering why you didn't invite Doug Graham into your health debate? As you are probably aware, he was voted for many times. Thanks

Megan Rivard, Carolanne Michelle, Mera Noriega and 18 others like this.

Cari Tiedt: Or Freelee=)
Wednesday at 11:29am · Like · 2 people

Freelee Fruititionist: lol :) That's sweet but I think the daddy of low fat raw vegan will more suitable this time! x
Wednesday at 11:30am · Like · 6 people

Rawbert Fulop: Yeah Kevin, why didn't you? Because DR Graham doesn't sell any supplements...?? Or because he walks the walk not just talks the talk..???
Wednesday at 12:13pm · Like · 4 people

Kevin Gianni: Stay tuned guys! I'll be addressing some things about the event this week in my newsletter.

Wednesday at 1:28pm · Like

George Niculescu: Doug Graham is the best, hands down, no contest. I hope your announcement has to do with him!!!
Wednesday at 1:47pm · Unlike · 5 people

Zak Martin-Kilgour: I hear bitter overtones, chill out guys! Kevin didn't include MANY health experts, some bigger than Dr. Graham, some smaller (BTW I'd love to have seen Doug included, and maybe he still will). Dan Buettner, Dr. Clement and Michael Tierra ar...
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Wednesday at 1:52pm · Like · 1 person

Freelee Fruititionist: Relax Zak, its a simple question :

Hey Kevin, myself and many others are wondering why you didn't invite Doug Graham into your health debate? As you are probably aware, he was voted for many times. Thanks
Wednesday at 1:53pm · Like · 3 people

George Niculescu: Just pointing out, that Zac is complaining about bitter overtones as he leaves a comment with bitter overtones!
I disagree, all points of view can and should be accommodated, isn't that the point of a debate?
Wednesday at 1:58pm · Unlike · 6 people

Zak Martin-Kilgour: ‎@Freelee, relax? I wasn't aware that chiming in was causing me stress...

@George, I'm by no means bitter, please point out what seems bitter in my first comment and I'd be happy to point out why I'm not actually bitter about it, or perhaps ...
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Wednesday at 2:04pm · Like

George Niculescu: Hmm, below the belt comment about supplements, getting real, seemed kinda bitter and presumptuous to me. Heck, just saying you hear bitter overtones. In order to recognize bitter you must know bitter....yes I must know bitter to recognize bitter too! Nutrition is like philosophy and technology put together it seems! Much peace, love, and blessings to you Zak! I understand that about the low fat vegan but cooked, but I want exactly what I want, not something that is similar to what I want! It's easy for you to say, you're getting exactly what you want out of it! Your dietary philosophy is probably exactly represented by someone there, as well as more in the majority! Or not, I could be mistaken? Besides, no majority has the right to suppress any minority from becoming the majority!
Wednesday at 2:30pm · Unlike · 5 people

George Niculescu: Oh, yes, while everyone has something to sell...product book, program, image, institute, some have less/more to sell than others. Which in my opinion is mostly all right because it's all towards something more sustainable/ethical/healthy than what is currently the world majority, Let's all hug, and kiss on the cheek/foreheads! Latesah!
Wednesday at 2:50pm · Unlike · 7 people

Zak Martin-Kilgour: ‎@George, my personal take on diet isn't represented in it's entirety, no, but it is to some degree (not by a majority) by the people speaking. Like I mentioned I would love to see Dr. Graham speak. I suggested in the youtube comments when ...
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Wednesday at 3:04pm · Like · 1 person

Kevin Gianni: Ok, if you guys can't get along, this thread will be deleted... :-) Just a warning... LOL!
Wednesday at 3:06pm · Like · 2 people

George Niculescu: We get along, we virtual hugged!
Wednesday at 3:18pm · Like · 3 people

Zak Martin-Kilgour: Yes I'm by no means wanting to cause confrontation!

Wednesday at 3:20pm · Like · 2 people

George Niculescu: We can think of it as: Confront, Provoke, Elevate, or in the spirit of the future Great Health Debate, as our own lil' great debate ;)
Wednesday at 3:57pm · Like · 2 people

Freelee Fruititionist: I need a newsletter subscription to find out the answer?. I must say I do appreciate you leaving this thread up Kevin because it's evidence of the support Dr Doug has...although I was just expecting a simple answer to a simple question.

Wednesday at 4:20pm · Like · 7 people

John Dawson: Doug! Doug! Doug!
Wednesday at 4:40pm · Unlike · 3 people

Patrycja Nowak: Seeing that the response to include Doug Graham was absolutely overwhelming, in all honesty I was convinced that the remaining space will be taken by Doug, but I understand it's not the case? I'm actually wondering why myself- especially that 80/10/10 is even listed on your website Kevin as one of your hot topics?
Wednesday at 7:47pm · Unlike · 5 people

Usha Sunrise: Would love to see Dr Doug Graham on there, I voted for him, and many people along with me!! Seems to me a lot of prejudices regarding raw foodism/veganism and sports (high carbs vs high fat) desperately need to be addressed and brought to the awareness of those seeking top-health, mentally, emotionally, physically and spiritually. Please (re)consider bringing him on Kevin. Usha.
Wednesday at 9:26pm · Unlike · 4 people

Thierry Casasnovas: for me also seems hard to understand how a so well respected scientific and living approach as Doug Graham is not present in your great debate...really , Doug would add definitively sience based conclusion that will give even more credibility to all the raw movement!
Wednesday at 10:48pm · Unlike · 3 people

Lisa Meier: I also would love to hear Dr Doug Graham. I think it's important to have someone who has been on a low fat raw vegan diet for many many years. Right now all I mostly hear is young people in their 30's. We need to hear older people like Dr Doug to give us hope.
Wednesday at 11:02pm · Like · 2 people

Lisa Meier: Dr. Doug, Dr. Doug we want Dr. Doug
Wednesday at 11:12pm · Unlike · 3 people

Anthony Michael: Thanks for living this thread open, Kevin. You demonstrate an open mind and patience on a subject that rarely has either! Would love to see the LFRV perspective in the debate. Dr. Graham has much to offer to the discussion.
Thursday at 12:08am · Like · 2 people

Freelee Fruititionist: Hey Kev, So I'm guessing the following is the answer we have been waiting for? (which you just posted in reply to a question about Dr D being invited)....

"I've invited Frederic Patenaude to speak on a low fat perspective :-)"

I don't know why the same question is answered differently here as opposed to your fan page?

Fred is great but not the obvious choice. Why wouldn't you ask the daddy of the low fat raw vegan movement Kevin?
Thursday at 3:05pm · Like · 3 people

Freelee Fruititionist: Isn't this an easy question to answer?
Thursday at 3:06pm · Like · 2 people

Usha Sunrise: I agree with Freelee, since this is supposed to be a debate, why not go directly to the source? Dr. Doug is the most knowledgeable in the field of LFRV, hands down.

Don't you want the best in their perspective fields to participate Kevin? Dr. Doug is an authentic voice, he doesn't have items to sell, other than his books, and he, imho, is a walking testimonial on the effectiveness of 811 that us that are under 40 would like to achieve for ourselves.

And I like Fred, but, meaning no disrespect to him whatsoever, Doug is lightyears removed from the rest of us in expertise on 811. At least consider bringing on Durianrider, if the viewers' obviously overwhelming choice for Dr. Doug is overruled.

Also, I would like to see you address this question Freelee posted. It's a valid and politely stated question, that deserves addressing. Kind regards, Usha
Thursday at 5:39pm · Unlike · 1 person

Markus Rafael Nylund: still waiting for that answer Kevin. Just be honest. That's all we ask for. We know you didn't even ask him. He's let us know that several times now. But why not? Look at his success. Doing the same thing for 30 + years. And revealing precisely & objectively what he IS doing. Walking his talk. Can you say that about anybody else on the debate? I mean seriously. If it was a mistake, then just admit it. If it was on purpose, just admit it.
Yesterday at 7:05am · Unlike · 2 people

Patrycja Nowak: It's difficult to understand why would someone have a discussion about high fruit diet and 80/10/10 without at least trying to include the author of the book? I just find it really strange considering the fact that this debate was promoted as a high profile event at the start.
Yesterday at 7:30am · Unlike · 4 people

Freelee Fruititionist: I think Kev may be holding us off until the debate starts (which is very soon) and then saying "sorry folks it's too late to include Doug"...
Yesterday at 7:36am · Like · 4 people

Usha Sunrise:

Kevin,

It's just too bad that Doug wasn't even invited (so far), because I really would have liked to get a no-nonsense approach. Doug is the only one who actually provides that. Not just in theory but also by example.

All I keep hearing from self-proclaimed "guru's" is: "It depends" and "Determine for yourself what works for you" which is fair enough, but how am I to do that when not all the info is available and people with very worthy and valid information are excluded or just cast aside?

Is this whole event about promoting high fat raw and selling products, or is this an actual debate about health? Just asking.

What I am seeking is excellent health, I'm not looking to buy over-priced products, or sit through informercials under the (false) pretense of seminars. If I need a product, I will know where to find it, there are so many possibilities of buying people's products.

But I am looking for honest, clean info, based on results. I think there might be many people like me, and that I'm not alone in this. This debate would have been a great opportunity to reach out to people like me who would tune in to this debate to actually learn something valuable, by examining ALL angles, not a one-sided lecture.

I am very disappointed to learn that a very popular angle to the raw food lifestyle is (seemingly on purpose) being left out, by refusal to include the one person who (literally) wrote the book on it. Dr. Douglas Graham, author of "The 80-10-10 Diet."

As said, I like Fred, have nothing against him, but if this is going to be the high profile event it's set out to be, you need to bring Doug on. Simple. Regards, Usha.
Yesterday at 7:56am · Unlike · 2 people

Kevin Gianni: Man, you guys sure have done a lot of assuming for me here... :-)

I wrote on the blog today that I choose Frederic because I thought he could step up to the plate and have a energetic and strong presentation. I've spent time with him recently and enjoyed being with him and Veronica and he was at the forefront of my mind.

Many of you assume that I'm giving Doug the cold shoulder here - as well as other more dubious things.

This is not the case. I think I've interviewed Dr. D more than 90% of the experts I have on the program and have spent time with him more than 60% or so. I've spent some time running with him at various events. We did a joint event in St. George, UT last year as well as teamed up for a debate in Oregon. I respect Doug's work, like being around him, I would do another event with him and I look forward to seeing him again this year.

Air time on the show is important to me and by interviewing Doug over the last few years at least 4 times and bringing him on the show for at least 5-8 episodes says something about my thoughts on him... it's almost like I'm not as much as a fencesitter when you look at it that way ;-)
Yesterday at 1:47pm · Like

Freelee Fruititionist: Thanks Kevin, I'm glad we finally have a reply on the subject.

Doug is the by far the most knowledgable on veganism and clearly the best debater... and you left him out. It's like leaving Michael Jordan out of the play offs. You have also interviewed many of the other participants involved in the "Great Debate" so for me that reasoning doesn't hold much datorade...but hey it's your show, maybe next time you can invite the 'best of the best' :)
Yesterday at 1:56pm · Like · 3 people

Markus Rafael Nylund: Kevin, you've still never answered the question. Instead you've told us about your history with Doug. Irrelevant.

Why didn't you invite Doug on the show?

TIP: to stop people from assuming, clarify what people are assuming about. Otherwise it will continue.

Not inviting him say even more about your thoughts on him. Your last sentence is a triumph of amusement.
Yesterday at 6:26pm · Unlike · 4 people

Patrycja Nowak

Thanks Kevin- I still find it hard to follow your logic. Other participants have taken plenty of your air time in the past as well, but are still included. Don't get me wrong- if you want to organise a low key event with a bunch of guys talking about their ideas- I have nothing to say about that. It's different however when you promote it as a high profile event, people get interested, and then they find out that the experts are chosen based on the fact you had a nice time with them on holiday and they could potentially "step up" to the task? I don't mean to sound harsh here- I actually do appreciate Frederic's work. The very reason I got involved in this conversation is that I'm an event producer by profession, so spotting inconsistencies of that kind is my second nature by now. Working in a public eye requires transparency, otherwise the speculations will bring down the most of innocent projects.

Freelee put it well- it's like leaving off Michael Jordan in favor of a mate who played well after school and we got on. All the best.

23 hours ago · Unlike · 2 people

Freelee Fruititionist: Markus & Patrycja great valid points. I hope Kevin steps up and addresses your concerns but I won't be holding my breath. At the end of the day truth will continue to reign no matter how much it is wrongly suppressed.
23 hours ago · Like · 2 people

Usha Sunrise: ‎

@Kevin: Thank you for replying. Us "guys" have asked you a question. That's different from assumption. It was (and is) a valid question, and now we know you have not and will not invite Doug. But not yet why not.

I am glad you think highly of Doug, as do we all, obviously. We all love Fred and Veronica too but when it comes to debating, there is no one who could step up to the plate better than Doug.

Personally, I would have liked to see a less "safe" choice, if you don't mind me saying. It's not going to Doug, then at least consider Durianrider too. Enter into a debate with people who are critical towards each other's perspectives, thus a real discussion can emerge. Honest and real debate, I feel, is what many of us want.

Being a fencesitter must have its positive sides... and good for something, no? ;-) *lol*
22 hours ago · Like · 1 person

Usha Sunrise: ‎*lol* Patrycja and Free you are faster typers than I am! ;-)
22 hours ago · Like

John Dawson: The true embodiment of a fencesitter in all your comments here Kevin.

We gave Kevin a new profile banner while he was sleeping ;-D

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