I would appreciate anybody's input on this one.I guess it is hard to know what exactly one would do until one was in that situation.I live in Australia and have never been bitten by a venomous snake.But I have wondered what I would do in that situation.I do not take any allopathic medicine, not for the last 28 years.I know there are anti-venoms to snake bites, but in addition to being part of the allopathic medicine system, I don't know if they are vegan or if they are tested on animals.If we were healthy, could we survive a poisonous snake bite?Last year I was bitten by a Brown House Spider, which is middling poisonous. Though the bite was on the back of my neck, I got real pain in my leg muscles and felt very nauseous. I fasted and rested and was o.k in a few days.I usually deal with bites by fasting.I think we can avoid Snake bites by being careful and respectful, but if we do get bitten?Any thoughts on this?A purdy non-venomous Golden Orb.
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Interesting discussion. I'll give my two cents: I teach survival classes. Though I am far from an expert on pretty much anything, I have heard a few things about snake bites:
1. Sucking won't work. Saliva may contain an antibiotic as someone mentioned, but that would only work for infections, not for venom. I hear the "snake bite kits" that use suction are next to useless as well, as the venom is too deep to get to with suction. Plus, then you have venom in your mouth.
2. As DR said, most snakes won't inject venom unless it's life or death for them. Most rattlesnake bites, for example, are nearly venom-free warning shots.
3. That said, young snakes usually cannot control their venom glands, so they tend to release all their venom in one shot. Even though bigger snakes look scarier, it's the little ones that are most dangerous.
4. Take a guess at which age/gender has the most occurrences of snake bites - adolescent to young adult males. Where do they get bitten - on the wrist. The classic story is that the rattler scares someone, or, more likely gives a warning bite (without venom) and then the dude goes "Why you little ___!" tries to grab the snake, at gets bitten on the wrist.
As for antivenin, I'd probably take it. But I'm a selfish human.
I had a 2 hour standoff with a rattler (4-5 ft) that would not leave my hose spigot area even though it was off. I did not want it out of my sight, as I did not want to worry where it as everyday (I lived deeper in wilderness than I do now). I finally trapped, caught it, relocated it on the other side of the mountain so that down was not where people lived, just an army artillery range. I know that when it is really dry in the mountains of Colordo and Utah, they come lower where there is water. It seems that it would be to "drink"...
What it a clorine pool? A hygienic snake would know better.... ;)
Amusing how Anne started this thread with the understandable concept of how not to get bitten in the 1st, and your amigo willingly comes within a flea's eyelash of it himself. I'm with gr33n--that made me cackle in horror O.O
Fortunately, also living in Phx, I like snakes--so much so that I'll recognize their right not to be manhandled by me if I can at all help it. I have no wish to be postumously awarded... ;)
My buddy Scott woke me up early one morning in 2009 while we were vacationing in Carefree Arizona so I could watch him (re)catch a rattlesnake that had wandered onto the property to drink from the pool... He so nearly got bit.. I caught it on video..
I was bitten by a black widow once, which obviously is different as it's not 100% fatal. The doctors told me that the antivenin for that can kill a person. There are serious risks involved with it. They're only supposed to use it in severe cases.
I chose to ride it out. It was actually really, really painful. It was definitely one of the top 2 worst experiences of my life. But, there was no way I was risking that particular antivenin!
When it comes to snakes, I don't know much about the antivenin there. I suppose, my first thought would be to suck the venom out, if I could. My second thought would be to get to a hospital and have them tell me my options (if there is time).
Its just another reason I make sure Ive always got good glycogen stores, hydration, sleep, blood levels etc cos we never know when our immune system will be called upon in a possibly life threatening situation.
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Not sure what I would do if a politician or David Wolfe and the lot bit me ;-)
Take Care,
Interesting discussion. I'll give my two cents: I teach survival classes. Though I am far from an expert on pretty much anything, I have heard a few things about snake bites:
1. Sucking won't work. Saliva may contain an antibiotic as someone mentioned, but that would only work for infections, not for venom. I hear the "snake bite kits" that use suction are next to useless as well, as the venom is too deep to get to with suction. Plus, then you have venom in your mouth.
2. As DR said, most snakes won't inject venom unless it's life or death for them. Most rattlesnake bites, for example, are nearly venom-free warning shots.
3. That said, young snakes usually cannot control their venom glands, so they tend to release all their venom in one shot. Even though bigger snakes look scarier, it's the little ones that are most dangerous.
4. Take a guess at which age/gender has the most occurrences of snake bites - adolescent to young adult males. Where do they get bitten - on the wrist. The classic story is that the rattler scares someone, or, more likely gives a warning bite (without venom) and then the dude goes "Why you little ___!" tries to grab the snake, at gets bitten on the wrist.
As for antivenin, I'd probably take it. But I'm a selfish human.
Perhaps he wasn't there to drink.. I just know he found him by the pool and must have suggested the drinking part to me..
Sure I don't want to know? Supper?
What it a clorine pool? A hygienic snake would know better.... ;)
Amusing how Anne started this thread with the understandable concept of how not to get bitten in the 1st, and your amigo willingly comes within a flea's eyelash of it himself. I'm with gr33n--that made me cackle in horror O.O
Fortunately, also living in Phx, I like snakes--so much so that I'll recognize their right not to be manhandled by me if I can at all help it. I have no wish to be postumously awarded... ;)
My buddy Scott woke me up early one morning in 2009 while we were vacationing in Carefree Arizona so I could watch him (re)catch a rattlesnake that had wandered onto the property to drink from the pool... He so nearly got bit.. I caught it on video..
Here's the frame where he almost caught a nibble:
Check out these snakes in Thailand:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsi7Yq1Eb_4
Dear iLuvGR33N,
I do not think that the Brown House Spider is the same as the Brown Recluse.
The Brown House Spider is Steatoda grossa, the Brown Recluse is Loxosceles reclusa.
No holes in my neck as far as I know ;)
Love and Peaches XX♥
Thank you for the input everyone ♥XX.
I chose to ride it out. It was actually really, really painful. It was definitely one of the top 2 worst experiences of my life. But, there was no way I was risking that particular antivenin!
When it comes to snakes, I don't know much about the antivenin there. I suppose, my first thought would be to suck the venom out, if I could. My second thought would be to get to a hospital and have them tell me my options (if there is time).
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