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Job descripion:
Feeding fish
Maintenance
Tast testing exotic tropical fruit
Welcoming guests
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thank you for the explanation. i find it quite reasonable and likely in alignment with the grand scheme, so i'm not sure what the problem was in getting it out.
presumably you are implying that someone with a passion for animal rights devalues someone who imprisons, abuses, exploits or murders other animals. (i'm sort of guessing here and not asking you since you wouldn't answer my questions earlier, but do correct me if i'm wrong).
i suppose devaluing someone is a problem, though it's a bit unclear really. people have devalued each other for centuries. there doesn't seem to be much difference between the way a racist, misogynist and speciesist rationalize their oppressive mentality.
it seems to me that some animal rights activists don't think too highly of animal abusers for the same reasons that the black panthers didn't think too highly of their white attackers, that the suffragettes didn't think too highly of those preventing them from voting.
i've done some work in shelters for battered women and it was interesting to see the board occasionally try to adopt a 'policy' of not hating men. it's a fine idea - just a bit difficult sometimes to explain it to someone with a couple of black eyes and bruises all over her.
i agree with you though in that one shouldn't devalue the soul - after all, it may be the last hope the species has of living up to the image it was supposedly created in. however, there's no reason to let oppressors or their supporters get away with what they do.
wg you wrote: I think I felt that my statement was self-evident, and that further explanation would be pointless (and a waste of my time).
i can accept that, but it isn't self-evident for me which is why i kept trying to get an explanation from you.
if you'd helped me to understand initially that explaining your position really was a waste of your time, then i no doubt i would have understood your predicament.
i guess i just got caught up in all the merriment and cracking up :D
so we've arrived at this - explaining your statement: when you choose the animal life over the human- then that is a problem
is self-evident to you as well as a waste of time for you to explain and therefore you are not going to do it.
wg wrote: This is why I said I would gladly kill an animal trying to eat my family....
quite reasonable.
and you no doubt understand why they do the same.
wg wrote: my faith in this forum is renewed!
not mine though.
( but i made a donation - so my conscience is clear :D )
Quote: I don't think it is right to indiscriminately kill anything- but in this world, like Doug says, you have to make compromises. This is why I said I would gladly kill an animal trying to eat my family....
Isn't it great that we don't live in a world where we HAVE to contemplate eating the flesh of another being?! & we have the freedom to enjoy the fruits of the world, satisfying our physiological requirements aswell as our conscience...
Yes I agree Wizdom, there are more vegans here than not & that's because it is an animal-friendly site not animal-eating. I feel it Works for most here.
One can appreciate another without agreeing with their views. :)
i don't see the logic in that.
if you don't want to explain your stance, that's fine - just say so.
if you want to leave, that's up to you.
i may leave soon too, that's up to me.
there are vegans and non-vegans here, so what's the big deal?
not necessarily, wg.
it may depend on how well your explanation aligns with the grand scheme of things.
usually, people who maintain the anthropocentric view are only too happy to provide their reasons. there are others i've encountered such as yourself who take an axiomatic approach, figuring no explanation is in order ... sort of outta-sight-outta-mind.
none of them, as far as i can recall have actually cracked up though. perhaps, i should feel i've made this worthwhile for you because you've cracked up. :D
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thank you for the explanation. i find it quite reasonable and likely in alignment with the grand scheme, so i'm not sure what the problem was in getting it out.
presumably you are implying that someone with a passion for animal rights devalues someone who imprisons, abuses, exploits or murders other animals. (i'm sort of guessing here and not asking you since you wouldn't answer my questions earlier, but do correct me if i'm wrong).
i suppose devaluing someone is a problem, though it's a bit unclear really. people have devalued each other for centuries. there doesn't seem to be much difference between the way a racist, misogynist and speciesist rationalize their oppressive mentality.
it seems to me that some animal rights activists don't think too highly of animal abusers for the same reasons that the black panthers didn't think too highly of their white attackers, that the suffragettes didn't think too highly of those preventing them from voting.
i've done some work in shelters for battered women and it was interesting to see the board occasionally try to adopt a 'policy' of not hating men. it's a fine idea - just a bit difficult sometimes to explain it to someone with a couple of black eyes and bruises all over her.
i agree with you though in that one shouldn't devalue the soul - after all, it may be the last hope the species has of living up to the image it was supposedly created in. however, there's no reason to let oppressors or their supporters get away with what they do.
in friendship,
prad
I appreciate your insights.
Thanks for sharing.
Love and Peaches XX ♥
I think I felt that my statement was self-evident, and that further explanation would be pointless (and a waste of my time).
i can accept that, but it isn't self-evident for me which is why i kept trying to get an explanation from you.
if you'd helped me to understand initially that explaining your position really was a waste of your time, then i no doubt i would have understood your predicament.
i guess i just got caught up in all the merriment and cracking up :D
so we've arrived at this - explaining your statement:
when you choose the animal life over the human- then that is a problem
is self-evident to you as well as a waste of time for you to explain and therefore you are not going to do it.
that's fine - not a problem!
in friendship,
prad
This is why I said I would gladly kill an animal trying to eat my family....
quite reasonable.
and you no doubt understand why they do the same.
wg wrote:
my faith in this forum is renewed!
not mine though.
( but i made a donation - so my conscience is clear :D )
in friendship,
prad
I don't think it is right to indiscriminately kill anything- but in this world, like Doug says, you have to make compromises. This is why I said I would gladly kill an animal trying to eat my family....
Isn't it great that we don't live in a world where we HAVE to contemplate eating the flesh of another being?! & we have the freedom to enjoy the fruits of the world, satisfying our physiological requirements aswell as our conscience...
In Peace & consciousness
Lovefree :)
One can appreciate another without agreeing with their views. :)
surely, you can't possibly say you aren't appreciated after all the exchanges we have just had. i've stuck with you through thick and thin!
you are likely right though that there are more vegans than not, which is usually the case on raw food sites, but many are only dietary vegans.
in friendship,
prad
if you don't want to explain your stance, that's fine - just say so.
if you want to leave, that's up to you.
i may leave soon too, that's up to me.
there are vegans and non-vegans here, so what's the big deal?
in friendship,
prad
it may depend on how well your explanation aligns with the grand scheme of things.
usually, people who maintain the anthropocentric view are only too happy to provide their reasons. there are others i've encountered such as yourself who take an axiomatic approach, figuring no explanation is in order ... sort of outta-sight-outta-mind.
none of them, as far as i can recall have actually cracked up though. perhaps, i should feel i've made this worthwhile for you because you've cracked up. :D
in friendship,
prad
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