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  • greetings sideah!

    suffering isn't part of our lives - it is a constant part of the lives of sentient beings who are imprisoned, exploited, abused and murdered for the 'pleasures' of some people's palates.

    anyone not aware of this suffering is welcome to take a good hard look here:
    http://www.30bananasaday.com/xn/detail/2684079:Comment:391047

    the light of 811 will shine no less brighter if we eliminate the suffering of others. it stands on its own as an example of health and compassion.

    perhaps one day eckhart tolle may be able to write ... the more you act, the stronger you create yourself.

    in friendship,
    prad
    • Nice Prad.

      In this society, glass walls on slaughterhouses is definitely needed.

      It would be great if Eckhart was vego himself (is he?), I like a lot of what he stands for however congruency would be becoming a vegan.

      The following author of this comment brings up some important points...

      "I just finished reading A New Earth and wonder: is Tolle a vegan or vegetarian? Tolle references many Buddhist principles, but not Ahimsa (non-violence). I find it disheartening that the book largely ignores the roles compassion and non-violence play in achieving awareness and enlightenment.

      How can anyone reach an enlightened state while blindly continuing to feed on the products of slavery and misery?
      How can we achieve awareness when we deliberately disconnect from our food and ignore the violence and oppression that is inherent in the everyday act of consuming dead animals and their stolen milk and eggs?

      Our treatment of animals is, I believe, at the root of all oppression, racism, sexism, slavery and war. As the quote goes, "As long as there are slaughterhouses there will be battlefields."

      I'd be most grateful if Oprah or Tolle could help me understand his position on Ahimsa and compassion and the consumption of animals as it relates to our individual spiritual journeys."
      - Chef Walnut
  • I'm sorry I don't agree or relate to this but thanks for your 2 cents Sideah.
    I stand firmly by the reasoning I have given throughout this thread. :-)
    The posts by Prad, Kristina, Jared, DR and a few others sums it up for me nicely.
  • must eat local raw vegan at my place
  • David,

    For your information Prad can relate to anyone but many can't or don't want to relate to his wisdom.

    Stick around David you might come to learn how good of a human being Prad is.

    The choice is yours continue to spew poison at a fine citizen or come to learn.

    I would going to say go to hell but I am not in that kind of mood today.

    Take Care,
  • Hey David,
    Prad, like the rest of us is vegan so please don't cast any pearls to the swine, prad or me; tell Danielle to let the Oysters keep them.

    I consider myself part of Prad's extended family and without his genius, wit, humility and wisdom I would not be anywhere near to the point in my journey that I am today. Prad has given many of us countless hours of help steering us in the direction we needed to move in. He is one of the most self less people I have ever known and his passion and dedication to a peaceful world where all beings live free of suffering and oppression is like no one else I know.

    If you stick around you will learn more about life and all of its mysteries from Prad than you could ever learn from books or any spiritual teacher. It's a shame you have not taken advantage of all that he has to teach you thus far.
  • I remember someone telling me that sausage is made up of scrotums, anus, ears and eyeballs...that stuck with me and sausage was the first thing I stopped eating. My Nan would serve em up and one day after the vivid sausage description I told my Nan, 'Dont like sausage anymore..' She was 'thats fine, have what you like..'

    I was expecting a big protest but got nothing. It inspired me to be more honest and then I told her there real reason why I dont like sausage. Ive never seen her eat another one..I told my mate about meat pies and he thru his in the bin. I said 'but the curry powder should cover the anus flavour..its all good!'.

    My mate Jade in 1998 told me as I was eating a meat pie what was really in em. I never ate one after that..

    caring is sharing. :)
  • i must say, this thread is thoroughly insightful and stimulating! i love it! since arriving at this lifestyle i have troubled with a few episodes of self-confidence and the "integrity" factor that has come to be a familar theme all-throughout this thread and site (which i hold dear, i must say!).

    inho, i've been a "let's just get along" type and have let some things slide and just kept quiet...i've been letting the excuse "i'm just not a good debater" keep me safe, albeit i'm fully equipped with so much knowledge from books and this site to get my points across...i recognize this and what i simply need to do is get my confidence up and continue to speak from my heart and on this subject should i have to.

    ex. last wk at a friend's place a friend offered me some disgusting sausage that she would eat, and in so much violent, internal disguist i tried to get the img out of my head and politely declined the offer w/o what was on my mind...just cuz i knew she is a passionate meat-eater and i did not want a discussion on veganism during my brief visit.

    i've been working on self-improvement and confidence much, and although it isn't anywhere i would love for it to be, today i realize i cannot let terrible stuff like this slip past me any longer. it's imperative to hold myself to my moral standards and BE the example of ethical veganism (and 811) that i aim to live by. i'm not doing any animal a favor if i just keep quiet and to myself on matters such as these, and then hypocritcally applaud and nod from the bleechers in agreement when outspoken "vegan, treehuggin hippy folk" "preach" the truth.

    the last few (and seemingly intense) discussions really resonated within me. being a coward isn't the answer, and i'm putting my foot down today and i will no longer "tolerate" any foolishness from this day forth. if i lose friends after being simply who i am, it was a fallacy to begin with. thanks for the clarity guys. you all are exemplary examples of loving life! :-)
    • That is great Kam! I too am going to try and be more honest with my feelings when it comes to vegan issues. Debates are not my cup of tea, I hate that it comes down to this. I love reading and learning simply for the growth of it, but having to recall certain facts and such to debate with someone is not easy for me. I just want to eat the way I eat and be the way I am without having to defend myself. But on the other hand, spreading the vegan message is a very important growth in itself.
      • Debates are not my cup of tea

        gretta, this is such a nice post to kam!

        one doesn't have to debate to get the message across. we each can do things our own way with our own gifts, so no worries. find what is right for you and if you need ideas or assistance, just ask! there are many, many people here to help.

        in friendship,
        prad
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