Hey fruitlovers!
Has anyone tried Raw Vegan protein by garden of life? Was wondering if this is okay on the 80 10 10 diet. It does say its raw vegan, gluten free, dairy free and organic. The ingredients look pretty safe.. I know that its definitely not from its natural state (buckwheat, quinoa, amaranth sprouts etc...) because all the grains have been turned into powder.
But do you think this is okay to have in my diet maybe 2-3x a week? I'm thinking of just eating it plain with water or mixed with a little coconut milk. Maybe even mixing a scoop of it in a green drink.
I'm trying to build muscle on this diet, I have been lifting weights for over a month and I haven't seen an increase in muscle mass or definition. I DO eat raw soaked nuts 4-5x a week.. (maybe 1/2 - 1 serving at the most like 25 almonds or less) becuase I dont want to go over the 10% overt fat.
Any advice?
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Jacob, you and Adrienne seem to know alot about this topic. Thank you BOTH for your feedback!!
@Jacob,
Some thoughts here.
Dried foods are recommended as an emergency staple but our focus is and always has been on whole raw fruits and tender leafy greens. Dried fruits have caused some of our members to have oral problems, and other dried foods may be lacking in important vitamins such as C. Vitamin C and other nutrients can be rendered useless by processing and storage.
http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/VitaminC-QuickFacts/
You are right that our bodies need some protein for growth and development.
Our basic requirments are :
Women ages 19 – 70+ 46 grams
Men ages 19 – 70+ 56 g rams each day.
http://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/everyone/basics/protein.html
If people eat a balanced diet, that is simple meals but a rainbow of fruits over a period of time, and focus on leafy lettuce greens, these are easy targets to achieve without eating foods that are not nutrient dense, and or are high in toxins like oxalate, purine, and phytates that are irritating to humans, cause acidic conditions in the body, prevent calcium absorption and assimilation, and or poor kidney health.
Starchy Foods vs Raw
To avoid muscle loss, deficiencies, and malnutrition, we recommend at least 2500-3000 calories a day:
Why 2500 to 3000 Calories?
To build strong bones, muscles, and tissues, focus on minerals such as calcium, phosphorus, and magnesium, of which are easily found in leafy lettuce greens:
Benefits of Lettuce Greens
I do agree that focusing on one food group only like bananas only or dates only will cause long term problems and deficiencies. However, when eating simple meals, but a variety over a period of time, and supplement with leafy lettuce greens, things do go smoothly.
A sample day might include for an active female might include:
Two nutrient dense heads of raw romaine for 15 g of protein and 200 calories
A mono meal of 15 raw oranges is 25 g protein and 1275 calories
A mono meal of 10 medium bananas is 13 g of protein and 1000 calories
A snack of about 3 cups pitted cherries give 4.8 g protein 300 calories
This translates into 57.8 grams of protein and 2775 calories which is more than a female requirement of protein and actually meets the male requirement. If a male adds three more bananas to the menu, he is set to go too with close to 60 g of protein and 3k calories.
Not only does this menu provide our protein and calorie requirements, it is nutrient dense in vitamin C, A, and many other needed nutrients that a dried protein supplement might be lacking in.
Peace, PK
Jacob,
Enough is enough.
We asked you to stop your protein supplementation/deficiency mumbo-jumbo.
If you aren't willing to do that you'll get suspended, take this as a final warning.
The 30bad Team.
@Rawlicious Nurse,
Here we have a live more to eat more and eat more to live more philosophy. The more you train, the more calories you will need, and automatically, the more protein grams you will consume as all raw fruits and leafy greens have some protein.
The next thing that is very important on this diet is to eat enough calories. Our minimum recommendations are 2500 for females and 3000 for males. Eating less than this can lead to nutritional deficiencies including Reduced muscle size and strength, impairing the ability to exercise or work. Read more here:
Why 2500/3000 Calories A Day?
Vitamin C:
Outside of fruity emergencies such as not having enough ripe fruit available, we do not recommend eating of processed foods and or starchy and or grain based foods. For one thing, humans cannot produce their own vitamin C. Many grains and pure protein based products have no vitamin C, or if they do, the vitamin C may be rendered useless by cooking and processing. If you want to avoid scurvy and continue building strong bones and tissues, foods rich in vitamin C are a must.
Grains and protein can also create conditions in the body that are acidic and inhibit calcium absorption which again, we need calcium for strong bones and muscles. Grains and starchy foods also contain toxins such as phytates, purines, and oxalate acid that are irritating to the body.
Read more about the above issues here: Starchy Foods vs Fruit n Greens
If you want to focus on strong bone and muscle, focus on minerals such as calcium, phosphorus, and magnesium. Eating raw lettuce greens such as romaine lettuce keep the body alkaline verse acidic, are high in minerals, and romaine is high in protein too if you are insistent on doing protein.
Benefits of Lettuce Greens
Use a system like cronometer.com to track your nutrients. If you eat simple meals, but a rainbow of fruits over a period of time, and eat 1-2 pounds of lettuce greens a day, your nutrient and protein requirements should be fulfilled.
Good luck and Peace, PK
Edit here, I also thought you might be interested in this post which explains healthy weight gain to. Some people start eating healthy, exercising, and then build bone density and muscle mass which translates into weight gain on the scale. But this is good weight gain, and not necessarily unhealthy body fat.
Healthy Weight Gain
I wanted to add that by following the 30BaD recommendation of 10 grams of carbohydrates per kilo bodyweight a day (minimum) I get the WHO recommendation of 0,83 grams of protein per kilogram (>60gram) without adding raw protein supplements. It is also in-line with The 80/10/10 Diet book (when adding enough exercise).
A bid of seeds here and there will not hurt us and I also like science ;) I off getting a run, hugs!
Took this guy 10 years of steroids to put on this much. Your not on steroids but wanting gains in 30 days??
Maybe in P90x photo shop world it happens but in real life it takes years and years of HARD work and CONSISTENT training.
Anyone telling you otherwise usually has some gimmick to sell you.
yeah, even the first pic hes just.. too big. us fruitarians/raw vegans perform and jus tlook better with lean muscle... not that bulky type you get from steroids, too much protein from animals and powders.
Hey Rawlicious, I"ve been on this lifestyle for over 5 years, actually nearly 6 averaging around 5% protein, (majority of my cals coming from bananas and dates) and haven't done weights properly in maybe 4 years. My muscle mass appears to be holding out well even on little to no resistance. I'm also strong. I'm actually starting to do weights again and I know I will pack on the muscle. Thinking of getting a dexascan before and after just to dispel this ridiculous protein myth.
This isn't a protein issue and we do not recommend raw vegan protein powders here as they aren't necessary. What you need to do is eat sufficient fruit calories and train correctly and specifically.
"I'm trying to build muscle on this diet, I have been lifting weights for over a month and I haven't seen an increase in muscle mass or definition."
- It takes a LONG time to build muscle! I remember building 3.9kgs of muscle in 5months once (measured before and after) and the dexascan operator said that was REALLY fast and I had about 5 years prior weight-training maturity in my muscles at that stage. Another thing to remember is that you can't objectively say whether you have built muscle or not without a dexascan that shows your before and after. Doing weights doesn't just equal definition, once you lose the fat and fluid over the top of your muscle then you will see more definition! Give it time on this lifestyle but make sure you are actually doing this lifestyle :)
Yes, thank you Freelee! I understand it does take alot of time and patience to build muscle. I have been doing "carb load" days (more fruit and veggies) 2-3x a week of about 3000calories. I do this the day before I weight train so I have more energy and I feel ALOT better when I wakeup.
I like eating alot of bananas. for some reason I just love the taste of them, and my body can't get enough of them... and I drink at least 1L of water when I wake up in the morning before going to the gym to workout and do my cardio.
are there certain fruits that help "build muscle" or have more protein, I think bananas are good... im guessing the higher calorie fruits? I dont do well with dates. I find that eating too much of them gives me acne. I tried this for one week the only food I changed in my diet is adding dates, so I'm pretty sure its the dates that cause my acne. when i stopped eating them, in 3 days my acne went away.
I don't use protein powder. I used to back in the 90's when drinking raw eggs and cans of tuna daily though. Funny thing is Im stronger and WAY fitter than I was back then. I should be getting weak with age right? ;)
In this video Im benching my bodyweight.
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