Should people die for eating animal products?

So, I watched Freelee's video "What do you think?" She mentions that people who know the truth but continue to eat animal products should die and that people should be forced to go vegan. Now, I understand her point of view and see that she is just frustrated. I disagree with the murder of other human beings because we are after all animals, and I don't think picking and choosing which animal species gets to live is right. Saying people should die because they eat animal products is not helping to spread the vegan message. It actually turns potentials away. We don't want that. We want to get as many people as we can to become vegan. We have to be more positive. In her previous videos, she does a great job talking about the health benefits and all the positive things that people get from it with the addition of showing all the harm it causes us and to the planet/animals. This method worked for me, and I know it will work for others. Once people are eased into it, then, I would enlighten them about the torture of animals more strictly among other things to lock them into the vegan lifestyle. I would not talk about murdering other people because that is a huge turn off. I do agree that people should be forced to go vegan. It should be the law, but the government and business corporations are so greedy that they won't let that happen. All us vegans can do is convert as many people as possible in the hopes that there will be enough of us to invade and dismember these organizations. I love Freelee; I think she is awesome. I just think that she should be careful about how she phrases things. Hopefully, she and everyone else can understand my point of view and don't think that I am a "unicorn hugger" or whatever she calls it.I'm doing what I can to help spread the message, and I do this by educating the people around me. At college, I had several projects that I was able to corporate veganism into, and I was able to get people to question their lifestyle. I was even able to get some students and teachers to try it for a week. I was able to get one person to fully transition and a few to cut back on animal products or go vegetarian. It's a small step, but it's better than nothing.What do you guys think? Have you seen Freelee's video? If so, what did you think about it?

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  • Actually I do agree with Freelee.

    I think that every single person who wants to eat meat should hunt and kill the animal and prepare it themselves for every meal. Yes, even kids. No modern weappons tho. Stones and knives maybe. I am sure a lot of ppl would stop to eat meat instantly and couldn't even get a piece of meat at the end of the day. Would bring a lot of obese bacon lovers to do some xrcise tho. lol sorry for my dark humor.

    That was one of the reasons for me turning vegan btw. I could never kill an animal that's just cruel. ATM I'm getting super angry about the hypocrites who say they love animals and eat bacon -.- soo stoooopid.

    Also I think that a person who makes vegan choices is superior to a "I-don't-care-person" but if that person doesn't care anyways then it shouldn't eighter about my opinion so... Yes I think that I'm a better person because I'm not killing animals for food that logically makes me a less cruel person sorry but some just can't handle the truth and think I may be arrogant but I don't care. If you want to be a good person you don't just overthink what you're doing to the planet u look around even further. U start picking up insects from the streets (well I always used to do this as a child but suddently I found myself doing it again) and prevent harm this way. Becoming vegan changes ppl so much. That's why I love hanging around here ppl r so real and so beautiful because we are what we eat.

  • By the way, you all might like to know that if you are a taxpayer then you are contributing to the animal as food industry directly through government subsidies.  I imagine 99.9% of you are paying tax, even when you simply buy a product, so it is for sure something to think about.  For example, in Canada, tax subsidies go directly to fur farms and livestock and pork farms to name a few.  Check it out.  

    I'll let you know when I have my "Handbook for the Runaway Tax Slave" completed. Peace out!

  • Well put Ryno.  Vegans are still destroying animals big time.  Habitat destruction is destroying animals and plants (they're important too!!!) big time, many to extinction.  And if you are part of modern society you are a big part of the destruction of habitat.  The house you live in, the roads you drive on, the goods you buy in stores, the stores themselves, the mines, factories, ships, trucks, banks, businesses, all modern things are destroying habitat and all the animals and plants that lived on it.  And destroying habitat is worse than killing because the animals and plants can not repopulate.  Eating bananas destroys habitat (and hence plants and animals) big time (gasp!)  The orchard they were grown in has destroyed the native plants and animals. Plus they need to keep the wild animals from coming back and eating the fruit which means killing them. The trucks, ships, roads, warehouses, stores, parking lots, that bring bananas to consumers have destroyed much habitat (and the animals and plants therein)   And the ships that carry them run over and kill whales big time (as all ships do).  Being vegan probably only reduces one's nature destroying footprint by about 30% so the modern vegan is all that much better than a meat eater.  But 30% is a big step in the right direction.

    Nature  lovers of the future will be very sad with the vegan of today.  Today's vegan is focusing their efforts on the welfare of pets and domestic animals while nature is being destroyed big time and millions of species of plants and animals are threatened with extinction (or are already extinct).  A 100 years from now there will still be plenty of dogs and cats but the millions of extinct animals and plants will never return.  Preventing extinction in  nature is a trillion trillion - infinitely more important than a few dogs and cats or even the treatment of livestock or even the consumption of meat.  

    If you love nature, animals and plants and wilderness,  being vegan isn't the most important thing one can do. The most important thing to do is to be an environmentalist saving habitat to save whole species of plants and animals from extinction.  There are plenty of meat eating environmentalists that are doing far more for the animals and plants than a typical vegan. 

     

    • I like your point of view because it's true. It's not just meat and dairy we need to focus on. It's literally everything.
  • they already do die sooner for eating animals.. Shouldnt should people. and reducing carbon footprints as much as u can is a whole lot different than what I think you think is in your capabilities. 

    • When I say reduce your carbon footprint, I am also combining that with our ecological footprint as well. Sorry if that wasn't clear. I'm just saying, those thing go hand in hand with veganism. For example, there are more hogs than people in North Carolina, which causes harmful effects such as pollution from waste lagoons, which is the collection of animal waste, parts of unused animals, blood, etc. plus, all of that waste emits dangerous gases. So I'm saying that I think decreasing our carbon footprint and ecological footprint alines with veganism because one affects the other.. Does that make sense?
  • Well first off they are already getting their punish because they are unhealthy and they will get a ton of diseases but sometimes its not societies fault for being ignorant. Yes some people do chose to ignore the facts but living years in a world where killing and eating dead bodies on a daily basis can kind of put a blindfold on peoples eyes and desensitizes people. Somehow we need to stop saying "hey 1000000 millions were slaughtered this year" or  "you're hamburger contains a dead innocent animal" and get people to actually see with their own eyes what slaughter houses are really like. this will form a good connection. Slaughter houses are like curtains and we need to expose them to bring awarness to the world.

    But back to your question; no. I dont think all poeple who use/eat animals products should die because that is saying all people who have harmed animals and the earth should die to me. I am a vegan and i drive a car, i use electricity, i use alot of unnatural things and sometimes i cannot help it. And doing all these things somehow circles around to harming animals and the environment meaning we are all guilty. BUt just no. Freelee is being too extreme and its just too hard to break social normal norms. We just have to try our best I guess.

    • Agreed. We just have to lessen our carbon footprint on the planet as much as we can.
  • I'm not going to justify eating animal points, but my point is that no one has clean sheets in this world.  We are all born into a compromised state and unless we are out in the wild eating fruits and vegetables we are causing harm on some level.  

    Think of the mining processes involved in procuring the metals necessary for the computers we are using to communicate.  Are you aware of the toxicity involved and the harm to the environment?  Do you know where discarded electronics end up?  Are you going to stop using your computer if you explore this subject?  What about cars, do you ever sit in a car?  We know the harm caused by the oil industry, to the earth, to people and to animals.  And money.  Using money perpetuates a global system of exploitation and severe inequality.  But how are you going to live without money?  It isn't easy,....because we are born into a compromised state.  What about electricity?  Is your electricity generated by a hydro-electric damn that displaced animals?  Is it nuclear?  We could go on and on like this.  The point is, we are all causing harm.  Great harm.  Better to look on your own actions before judging.  Or are you going to pull the trigger?

    The conversation goes deep, and if one wants to be truly free from causing harm on this Earth, one must walk away from a great deal of behaviours.  Not easy to do at all.

    • Great points Ryno!

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